Tenacious D Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: Like I said, he would be the best hitter in the Tigers organization the minute he steps on the field. The Tigers have the worst starting 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, and 3rd baseman in the majors. The starting catcher, outfielders, and DH (just because he has zero power) are all at the bottom. This is the worst Tiger's offensive team I have ever watched. The only 2 players that even hit the ball regularly with authority are Haase and Baez, and those guys sure do like to swing and miss a lot. Shouldn’t we be aiming higher? Comparing anyone to our hitters is an incredibly low bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkelly Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 It would be nice to call up a guy from the minors and just have them be able to hit at least league average with average power. How can you have a rebuild going on for 6 or 7 years, trade away a bunch of all stars for prospects, draft in the top 10 every year, and end up with no players that would start on basically any other team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 hours ago, gkelly said: It would be nice to call up a guy from the minors and just have them be able to hit at least league average with average power. How can you have a rebuild going on for 6 or 7 years, trade away a bunch of all stars for prospects, draft in the top 10 every year, and end up with no players that would start on basically any other team? because you have a bad general manager? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFKNIGHT Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I would suggest the Tigers trade Spencer Torkelson, however I am sure Al Avila would find a way to mess up the transaction. I believe the Tigers missed on the drafting of Casey Mize, Matt Manning and Spencer Torkelson. I hope I am proven wrong, soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Well... there's one thing clear about this season: This won't be an ambivalent trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Well... there's one thing clear about this season: This won't be an ambivalent trade deadline. since when does Al do anything that makes sense.... I bet they dont do jack maybe some small trade but nothing big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Who said anything about doing something big? I don't expect anything big. The biggest thing they might do at the deadline is to clean house. Which still needs to be done. Out with all the dead weight and call up a bunch of rooks. I'm good with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Toddwert said: since when does Al do anything that makes sense.... I bet they dont do jack maybe some small trade but nothing big I think most of what he does "makes sense". He correctly identifies weaknesses and tries to fix them with trades and free agents. He just hasn't been good at it! He lacks innovation and perhaps negotiation skills. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Until Avila is replaced nothing will see much improvement, nothing. This organization is a mess right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottwood Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Shop all the relievers and hope for the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Scottwood said: Shop all the relievers and hope for the best. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 6:49 PM, gkelly said: It would be nice to call up a guy from the minors and just have them be able to hit at least league average with average power. How can you have a rebuild going on for 6 or 7 years, trade away a bunch of all stars for prospects, draft in the top 10 every year, and end up with no players that would start on basically any other team? Maybe the how is that the guys we got for our bunch of all stars weren’t prospects after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I’m not sure the Tigers should do anything at this deadline. There is zero playoff urgency—in fact they’d do well at this point to avoid triple-digit losses—so we can’t really justify selling youngsters for veterans; and “the rebuild is 100% over”, so it’ll be hard to convince fans about the wisdom of selling veterans for prospects. We remember what the organization said. But also, if we sell veterans for prospects they’ll be selling low because they’re all doing so awful—you remember what we got for All-Stars at the top of their game; and if we sell prospects for veterans—well, you saw Paredes for Meadows. No guarantees. They’ll still probably do something anything, but to me it’ll probably feel doing stuff to look busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Paredes has a .615 OPS in July. Pitchers may have made the adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Paredes has a .615 OPS in July. Pitchers may have made the adjustment. And Meadows is out indefinitely. Like I say, no guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 hours ago, chasfh said: I’m not sure the Tigers should do anything at this deadline. There is zero playoff urgency—in fact they’d do well at this point to avoid triple-digit losses—so we can’t really justify selling youngsters for veterans; and “the rebuild is 100% over”, so it’ll be hard to convince fans about the wisdom of selling veterans for prospects. We remember what the organization said. But also, if we sell veterans for prospects they’ll be selling low because they’re all doing so awful—you remember what we got for All-Stars at the top of their game; and if we sell prospects for veterans—well, you saw Paredes for Meadows. No guarantees. They’ll still probably do something anything, but to me it’ll probably feel doing stuff to look busy. We should be sellers—not distressed, though. I’d capitalize on our MLB 3rd ranked bullpen and move an arm or more to get position player talent. As mentioned in another thread, I’d rather move multiple in the same trade, or take on a salary dump to get a better player. No more Travis Demeritte-types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: We should be sellers—not distressed, though. I’d capitalize on our MLB 3rd ranked bullpen and move an arm or more to get position player talent. As mentioned in another thread, I’d rather move multiple in the same trade, or take on a salary dump to get a better player. No more Travis Demeritte-types. Well, if we're going to do anything, flipping relievers for good prospects would be the thing to do. But flipping relievers for the best warm body you can get at the last second? Not so much. But that's pretty much what I anticipate from yet another Al Avila Trade Deadline Bonanza-like Selloff Extravaganza. Hey, by the way, fun fact about Travis Demeritte: he got more at bats in Detroit to try to prove himself for a permanent job than Isaac Paredes got. Edited July 18, 2022 by chasfh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Well, if we're going to do anything, flipping relievers for good prospects would be the thing to do. But flipping relievers for the best warm body you can get at the last second? Not so much. But that's pretty much what I anticipate from yet another Al Avila Trade Deadline Bonanza-like Selloff Extravaganza. Hey, by the way, fun fact about Travis Demeritte: he got more at bats in Detroit to try to prove himself for a permanent job than Isaac Paredes got. We’re in violent agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, chasfh said: Well, if we're going to do anything, flipping relievers for good prospects would be the thing to do. But flipping relievers for the best warm body you can get at the last second? Not so much. But that's pretty much what I anticipate from yet another Al Avila Trade Deadline Bonanza-like Selloff Extravaganza. Hey, by the way, fun fact about Travis Demeritte: he got more at bats in Detroit to try to prove himself for a permanent job than Isaac Paredes got. I don't mind the strategy with Fulmer or even Chafin, because they are on more short term deals, but trading Alex Lange or even someone like Will Vest for a lottery ticket seems unwise from where I'm sitting. Theoretically, they are all available, but the price for guys that are controllable longer term should be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I don't mind the strategy with Fulmer or even Chafin, because they are on more short term deals, but trading Alex Lange or even someone like Will Vest for a lottery ticket seems unwise from where I'm sitting. Theoretically, they are all available, but the price for guys that are controllable longer term should be higher. Yes—everyone has a price, but keeping the younger, controllable guys is ideal. Of course, they have more value to another team for those reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Yes—everyone has a price, but keeping the younger, controllable guys is ideal. Of course, they have more value to another team for those reasons. For me, I would love to try to flip someone like Soto to the Mariners for one of their younger OF's they have waiting in the wings (Kelenic preferably) but I am not sure if Soto get's that done but they do need bullpen help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Yeah... I don't think we're getting Kelenic for Soto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Yeah... I don't think we're getting Kelenic for Soto. You’d have to add to it, but I doubt he’s untouchable. The bloom is off his 🌹. He’s made Tork’s struggle in the MLB look like nuttin’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: You’d have to add to it, but I doubt he’s untouchable. The bloom is off his 🌹. He’s made Tork’s struggle in the MLB look like nuttin’ This is kind of what my thought was, find someone who may have lost his shine a bit but if you look at his AAA stats he is an All-Star. Might just need a new environment and he is young enough to still turn it around. This is the types of things I would love for our FO to do but at the same time no idea who is offering what or who is or isn't available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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