Hongbit Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Longgone said: They system needs talent, upgrade any way you can. Ignoring the future to try to be mediocre now is not an optimistic strategy, either. Very true. On the flip side, letting Al Avila and this scouting staff make the decision on which prospects to select isn’t an optimistic strategy either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Longgone said: They system needs talent, upgrade any way you can. Ignoring the future to try to be mediocre now is not an optimistic strategy, either. This organization traded away stars in 2015, 2017, 2018, and 2019, at the expense of helping ourselves right away, for talent that was supposed to upgrade the system and help us in the future. It is 2022. We are in that future right now. How’s that worked out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: This organization traded away stars in 2015, 2017, 2018, and 2019, at the expense of helping ourselves right away, for talent that was supposed to upgrade the system and help us in the future. It is 2022. We are in that future right now. How’s that worked out? the strategy was fine, the results so far... Edited July 30, 2022 by Longgone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I think they will trade guys who will be free agents and maybe Jimenez. I can't see them giving up any young talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I think they will trade guys who will be free agents and maybe Jimenez. I can't see them giving up any young talent. Agreed.... would not be all that surprised if it's just Fulmer and Chafin at this point as well. For better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 hours ago, buddha said: then keep fetters and we all get to keep drinking. This franchise doesn’t need to keep Fetters to make its fans drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Zach McKinstry? That’s the benchmark Al has to beat? Jesus, talk about low bar. McKinstry would fit in well with the Castros. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Longgone said: the strategy was fine, the results so far... Or maybe the strategy is not so fine. It’s at least up for debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: McKinstry would fit in well with the Castros. I’ve read that the WB is optioning The Castro’s as a mid season replacement next year. Will also feature their wacky cousin, Starlin, in a recurring role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I’ve read that the WB is optioning The Castro’s as a mid season replacement next year. Will also feature their wacky cousin, Starlin, in a recurring role. Lawyers? Private eyes? Cartel enforcers? All of the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Or maybe the strategy is not so fine. It’s at least up for debate. I can understand both views but I'm on the side of the strategy being fine, unfortunately we just have a guy that either is a terrible negotiator that also doesn't know how to identify and/or a player development program that screws up the development of the guys they got. As much as I hated seeing Verlander go we got a top 30 prospect, a guy who atleast one of the sites ranked in the top 75 in Daz and Rogers who was seen as borderline top 100 by some. If say that top 30 guy in Perez developed into the frontline guy like many thought he could be, Daz became an Austin Jackson like CFer like some thought he could possibly be at one point and Rogers a solid everyday catcher that would make the trade and in turn our rebuild look alot better. Unfortunately none of those things happened, whether it was because those guys were overhyped and never were going to come close to their ceilings or because the Tigers just failed to develop them? Either way is a detriment to the organization but that doesn't change the fact that the idea to trade a pitcher in his mid 30s who had a ton miles on him for 3 young prospects was correct, particularly when they weren't planning to compete for a couple years. It's just unfortunate we had the wrong person pulling the strings and the pitcher we traded away ended up being a once or twice in a generation type who not only didn't decline in his late 30s but may have actually gotten better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Over/Under 3.5 relievers traded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Yes, under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, kdog said: Over/Under 3.5 relievers traded? I’ think it will be two—Fulmer and Chafin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) Sounds like a big deal is coming, the M's just traded for Luis Castillo earlier today too so they must be going all in. edit: NVM should've read through the replies before posting cause in them some Mariners fans said that he is probably getting called up due to J-Rod apparently getting hurt. Edited July 31, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) Under. I would lean for 2 as well... Jimenez I'm kinda 50/50 on, there have been a lot of press clippings on him but also was suggested on the radio broadcast (with Cody Stavenhagen in booth) that the market for his services was light thus far. but things can change fast Edited July 31, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 You can only control a reliever as long as his arm is intact. I would be open to dealing Lange, Foley, and Soto too. "Team control" be damned. Cisnero and Funkhouser weren't dealt last year because they had years of control left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Pleased to hear this with respect to Skubal, but I would certainly hope the dont value Soto the same as Skubal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I’ think it will be two—Fulmer and Chafin. They seem likelier for the Tigers to want to trade because of contracts. But to Edman’s point, they need to move whoever they can that makes sense as far as the return is concerned. I don’t care about Soto’s or anyone else’s team contract control. Obviously they can negotiate up the player value because of that variable. But as flukey as relief pitchers can be from season to season, especially if they happen to be getting worthwhile position players or starting pitching in return, make the trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Call Seattle and offer Soto Jimenez and Haas for Hancock and Klenic. Would that be possible? Or just Soto for Klenic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Why do we want Kelenic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Why do we want Kelenic? But I highly doubt he would be available for a couple of RPs and a backup C. Hey, if Avila can get it done, more power to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: Why do we want Kelenic? the same reason we all think tork will eventually be good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, mtutiger said: Pleased to hear this with respect to Skubal, but I would certainly hope the dont value Soto the same as Skubal. Assuming the Tigers remain hard on this approach, seeing as how Soto is the best reliever on the team basically only in the scaled eyes of the top of the front office, and is no better than fourth-best in just about everyone else’s eyes, Soto ain’t going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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