6/17 7:10 Rangers @ Tigers

[Tiger337]

  On 6/18/2022 at 2:04 PM, sabretooth said:

For example, I always objected and still object to them getting rid of Carlos Pena before 2006, because I liked him, and he was a good player....and of course, he did have some ***really*** good seasons after that with the Rays. 

However, getting rid of Carlos was part of what allowed Leyland to shape the team's attitude and personality into a winner, ehile he and DD also brought better players to bear.  I dont want to see them get rid of a young and good player like Carlos was, but I do think that *somebody* in mangement needs to instill a sense of urgency.

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They replaced Pena with Shelton and then Casey.  That's not why they won in 2006.  They won because they got better players at other positions.  They kind of got lucky that year too.  They didn't do as well the next four years.  

Edited June 18, 2022 by Tiger337

[chasfh]

  On 6/18/2022 at 1:05 AM, Motor City Sonics said:

 

Fire Millen chants went on for 3 years before they fired him. 

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He too worked for a relatively old-money billionaire family that values loyalty above all. 

[chasfh]

  On 6/18/2022 at 1:08 AM, RandyMarsh said:

I'm actually hoping the Rangers get to the point where they use position players, I want to see if we can actually do anything against them. 

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Man, you have been especially on fire of late, keep up the good work

[Motor City Sonics]

  On 6/18/2022 at 2:33 PM, chasfh said:

Man, you have been especially on fire of late, keep up the good work

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Its that Tegridy 

[gehringer_2]

  On 6/18/2022 at 2:14 PM, Tiger337 said:

They replaced Pena with Shelton and then Casey.  That's not why they won in 2006.  They won because they got better players at other positions.  They kind of got lucky that year too.  They didn't do as well the next four years.  

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didn't they make it through the whole season without a starter missing a turn or something close to it? I have the recollection that team had the kind of injury luck you can't bank on.

Edited June 18, 2022 by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

  On 6/18/2022 at 2:13 AM, kdog said:

 

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Disingenuous stat. That bad 2020 team got to 12 under, but they also played only 60 games. 

[chasfh]

  On 6/18/2022 at 3:29 AM, Jim Cowan said:

I don't know if Chris cares about the product but if he does, does he feel some dread about having to let this guy go "who was so loyal to my Dad"?  

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Maybe. Never know what goes on behind golden doors!

[chasfh]

  On 6/18/2022 at 1:56 PM, Tiger337 said:

Schoop still leads MLB in fielding at Basebal Savant:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average

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Can you imagine how bad it would be if he’s still been playing first?

 

 

 

By the way … option Tork?

[Nerb]

  On 6/18/2022 at 1:39 AM, gehringer_2 said:

TBF, Harold has always had a tendency to make plays that look lackadaisical - esp when he played OF. I don't really know if that's because he is or if he just looks that way (some guys do - e.g. Whittaker used to). In any case, I'd counterpoint that I don't think that is not necessarily anything new for Harold.

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I hear what you're saying but this was a catchable ball that he just clearly had no interest in pushing for. It was pretty inexcusable. 

[sabretooth]

  On 6/18/2022 at 2:14 PM, Tiger337 said:

They replaced Pena with Shelton and then Casey.  That's not why they won in 2006.  They won because they got better players at other positions.  They kind of got lucky that year too.  They didn't do as well the next four years.  

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Yeah, I wasnt trying to suggest that getting rid of Pena made them a better team talent wise, but rather that it helped Leyland make a point, for better or worse.

It was strange that Pena was not played or traded by BOS in 2006, then was dealt to Tampa and was nearly (or actually? I cant recall) the MVP in 2007.