RatkoVarda Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: and you could probably get him for under slot. 12th pick is a little over $4.5M, so if they floated $4M and he was amenable, that gives them some flexibility at 51 and/or 117 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Is this guy legit? Can’t speak to that—he does seem to be knowledgeable, but no idea what his connections or sources are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Is this guy legit? He is the Tigers Insider for ESPN the Ticket out of Toledo so he might have some connections in the org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Tenacious D said: You can’t have too much pitching … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: You can’t have too much pitching … ugh .... I think they need to be flexible at 12 and wait to see if anyone drops to them... seems like they maybe tied to a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Is this guy legit? He seems to have decent knowledge of prospects, but I don't know if he has insider info. Tigers twitter likes him, but they are always pumping each other up, so who knows. I am skeptical about him having great sources. Edited July 14, 2022 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: You can’t have too much pitching … That is absolutely true. You can have too little hitting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: 12th pick is a little over $4.5M, so if they floated $4M and he was amenable, that gives them some flexibility at 51 and/or 117 Could absolutely see that, maybe have talks with someone like Toman or Romero to get a high upside bat at 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: That is absolutely true. You can have too little hitting though. Seems like I hear the phrase “you can’t have too much pitching” most often when a team stockpiles pitching at the expense of hitting. That’s been the Tigers’ MO, and that phrase has been used in their defense repeatedly during this process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Here is Law's write up about Prieplipp; TL; DR: Could have been in discussion for 1:1 if not for TJ. Not a huge track record but could be high end starter or bullpen. 28. Connor Prielipp, LHP, Alabama Prielipp had Tommy John surgery at the end of May 2021, ending his college career after just seven starts and 28 innings across two seasons. He returned to throw a bullpen right before the SEC tournament, mostly 90-92 with flashes of the slider he’d had before the injury, when the slider was plus and his changeup was good enough to project him as a starter. He cuts himself off when he lands, coming back a little across his body, although that and the low 3/4 slot also add to his deception. He might have been in consideration for the first-overall pick had he stayed healthy — and performed — but now seems more likely to get a deal in the second half of the first round. As for his future, he could be a high-end starter, and he could easily end up in the bullpen. He’s thrown so little in games that the range of his potential outcomes is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Zero confidence in Avila, but if the Dodgers grabbed a guy like this (a la Buehler in 2015) in the first round, saved some $ and leveraged that for someone who fell, that would impress me edit they tried to do something like this in 2017 and fell flat on their face Edited July 14, 2022 by RatkoVarda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Zero confidence in Avila, but if the Dodgers grabbed a guy like this (a la Buehler in 2015) in the first round, saved some $ and leveraged that for someone who fell, that would impress me edit they tried to do something like this in 2017 and fell flat on their face Call it eternal optimism but I like to think that the personnel they brought over from the Dodgers org will have some say in what happens with this draft so I am cautiously optimistic if they tried to do it again we may get a different result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-july-13-2022?t=mlb-draft-coverage Mayo really wants us to take Porter here for some reason. Jung being available I have a hard time seeing them selecting another high school pitcher. This part is at least a little encouraging; "The Tigers are also discussing college hitters like Jung, Zach Neto and Chase DeLauter and a high school bat like Cole Young " Edited July 14, 2022 by LongLiveMaroth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Seems like I hear the phrase “you can’t have too much pitching” most often when a team stockpiles pitching at the expense of hitting. That’s been the Tigers’ MO, and that phrase has been used in their defense repeatedly during this process. Since we all attend the Church of Baseball, all I can say is, "Amen Brother !!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Personally, I'd prefer getting high quality position prospects, and then sign my pitchers after they have had TJ surgery and went through rehab. In pitching , you get what you pay for and drafting pitchers to develop them is just a waste of resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: you get what you pay for and drafting pitchers to develop them is just a waste of resources. but, its one of the few things they have had success in doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: but, its one of the few things they have had success in doing I mean that and producing INF that are solid producers for other teams; looking at you Suarez, Adames and Paredes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, HeyAbbott said: Personally, I'd prefer getting high quality position prospects, and then sign my pitchers after they have had TJ surgery and went through rehab. In pitching , you get what you pay for and drafting pitchers to develop them is just a waste of resources. So lets draft ZERO pitchers and have minor league teams with no pitchers at all, just hitters. That could be interesting, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Have the drafts been the issue? Seems like "experts" have been fine with the drafts and the talent in the system. It's the development of that talent which has become a glaring issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: So lets draft ZERO pitchers and have minor league teams with no pitchers at all, just hitters. That could be interesting, right? Didn't we do that in 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: Didn't we do that in 2020? We actually signed Wilmer Flores and some other undrafted pitchers after the short 5-round draft that year. So technically, in the draft, yes; but effectively, no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 If we're going to actually be a draft and development team, which I think every one of us in here, and hopefully in the Tigers Org, top-to-bottom, wants, then... We're drafting both pitchers and position players. There may be a preference for position players in the 1st and pitchers outside the 1st... or vice verse... But, it doesn't matter. If we only select pitchers in the 1st; we still have to develop more than just 1st rounders, which includes a couple position players outside the 1st. And if we are SUPPOSED to be a D&D team, them we HAVE to be able to do that. So I'll go back to my BPA mantra for the 1st, and not care so much (I AM weighted more towards position players but am flexible enough for either) whether it is position versus pitcher. By the same token, if we draft only position players in the 1st, we STILL have to be able to develop a couple pitchers outside the 1st... which we appear to be capable of doing. I think we can do the same with position players (develop some outside of 1st rounders...); but those guys are still percolating up through the minors so we haven't seen the MLB results of that yet... Just my 2 cents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: If we're going to actually be a draft and development team, which I think every one of us in here, and hopefully in the Tigers Org, top-to-bottom, wants, then... We're drafting both pitchers and position players. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 We can't shy away from pitchers. I can't imagine that is a good formula for success. Injuries are more commonplace now, which is probably why you need to double-down on pitching to make sure you have enough when a few of your guys are out for an extended period of time. If you go with BPA, it will keep you honest and always ensure you are stocking the minors with the best players (in your estimation). My concern with the Alabama LHP is he doesn't have much of a track record to go from (he did not pitch many college innings before his TJ surgery, and few, if any, were against SEC schools, so not sure how much he was tested. If there is a positive to him, he did get his TJ out of the way. I just hope the Tigers think the BPA is a position player who gets on base to help at the top of the order. We're already set throughout the organization with guys who will strikeout 25-35% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Tenacious D said: shut your whore mouth harris frommer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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