Abortion and the Politics of Reproductive Rights in the Post-Roe Era

[ewsieg]

Shelby definitely would be redder than lower Macomb, but I would consider it more traditional GOP red, like it's Oakland county counterparts it borders up to, than the more MAGA rural north / northeast Macomb county.  I keep hearing college educated are breaking towards Harris at a higher rate, my guess is northwest Macomb would probably have your highest percentage of college educated for the county.

[chasfh]

17 hours ago, The Ronz said:

You wouldn't know any of this unless you are of German heritage.

Werner von Braun's brother Magnus worked for Chrysler in Warren.

Many former Nazi's worked in the automotive industry and the supporting businesses, tool and die shops, etc.

It wasn't something that was well advertised but if you knew - you knew.

My long last name ending in "dt" is so German, there are multiple officials from the Nazi era with that same name listed on Wikipedia. Is that German enough for you? And yet, I don't remember any ex-Nazis running around Warren, Michigan during the 60s and 70s and 80s.

[LaceyLou]

I haven't seen this posted anywhere here. 

https://www.ajmc.com/view/infant-mortality-increases-across-us-following-dobbs-decision

[smr-nj]

16 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

I haven't seen this posted anywhere here. 

https://www.ajmc.com/view/infant-mortality-increases-across-us-following-dobbs-decision

I’m so angry.  
Of course this is going to be the end result… and mother mortality too.

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, smr-nj said:

I’m so angry.  
Of course this is going to be the end result… and mother mortality too.

And to add insult to injury, the women in these cases also end up with massive medical bills. 

[oblong]

I was in TN over the weekend and one of my tasks was visiting the various cemeteries our family members are buried in.  These go back 170 years.  Always blown away by the number of infants you see and yes in some cases you see an infant and mother with same day or close enough dates of death you know that’s what happened.  Part of that was simply being so isolated that you couldn’t get quality care but most of the time it was related to either lack of birth control or other options for high risk pregnancies.  There’s a reason you didn’t see those headstones after the 1950s.  

[LaceyLou]

I listened to Obama's speech again and as wonderful as it is it occurs to me that she left out a few scenarios:

-a pregnant woman will not be treated for a lot of illnesses, such as cancer.

-in some cases, women of childbearing age might not have access to some treatments because of the possibility of pregnancy (I've heard this is already true in one or two states)

-this was true before, and so could happen again: women of childbearing age will be excluded from clinical trials, so that the medical field won't have critical information about how a certain treatment might work differently in women than in men.

[smr-nj]

1 minute ago, LaceyLou said:

I listened to Obama's speech again and as wonderful as it is it occurs to me that she left out a few scenarios:

-a pregnant woman will not be treated for a lot of illnesses, such as cancer.

-in some cases, women of childbearing age might not have access to some treatments because of the possibility of pregnancy (I've heard this is already true in one or two states)

-this was true before, and so could happen again: women of childbearing age will be excluded from clinical trials, so that the medical field won't have critical information about how a certain treatment might work differently in women than in men.

All true, and again points to the obvious mindset that woman have been relegated to the back of the bus. Our health, AGAIN, isn’t worth ****. 

[LaceyLou]

Meanwhile, in Texas:

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban?fbclid=IwY2xjawGPNt5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUXStMldaG5UUyw3eff5wF2_N-zIpivqKlCm4F8RJrTXYC9PYPkcbllHIw_aem_RVS_ABtnGNRO-tCZS1Pl-w

And this is from 2021. I imagine there are more now. 

Words cannot describe how angry I am with certain people in this country right now. And they are the ones who loudly proclaim that "All Lives Matter."

[Tigerbomb13]

The “pro-life” party

[smr-nj]

41 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Meanwhile, in Texas:

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban?fbclid=IwY2xjawGPNt5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUXStMldaG5UUyw3eff5wF2_N-zIpivqKlCm4F8RJrTXYC9PYPkcbllHIw_aem_RVS_ABtnGNRO-tCZS1Pl-w

And this is from 2021. I imagine there are more now. 

Words cannot describe how angry I am with certain people in this country right now. And they are the ones who loudly proclaim that "All Lives Matter."

It’s the national indifference to these deaths that both infuriates me, breaks my heart, and scares the daylights out of me.  
Do people think that they’re “safe” if they live in a state that hasn’t quite arrived at this extreme … yet?

It is coming. You might say “no, it’ll never happen here”, but that’s just turning a blind eye to what is very obviously going to happen .   
 

Can’t you see this truth???

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

It’s the national indifference to these deaths that both infuriates me, breaks my heart, and scares the daylights out of me.  
Do people think that they’re “safe” if they live in a state that hasn’t quite arrived at this extreme … yet?

It is coming. You might say “no, it’ll never happen here”, but that’s just turning a blind eye to what is very obviously going to happen .   
 

Can’t you see this truth???

So far about half of the things I warned people would happen, that they told me I was being paranoid about, have actually happened. And yet, they are STILL calling me paranoid. 

"And then one day, they came for me" is sadly going to be the only thing that gets through to some people, and it'll be too late.

[chasfh]

23 hours ago, oblong said:

I was in TN over the weekend and one of my tasks was visiting the various cemeteries our family members are buried in.  These go back 170 years.  Always blown away by the number of infants you see and yes in some cases you see an infant and mother with same day or close enough dates of death you know that’s what happened.  Part of that was simply being so isolated that you couldn’t get quality care but most of the time it was related to either lack of birth control or other options for high risk pregnancies.  There’s a reason you didn’t see those headstones after the 1950s.  

Hopefully there won't be more of them after the 2020s.

[LaceyLou]

Here's another one.

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala?fbclid=IwY2xjawGRx4xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHb7k1l59ZnL7-n7MLU3xOaDpXeHkNQULjB5sl2Ij63VKUQrA-E8QG8DQrg_aem_i8sfqyk2RTwKZH8LYfXASQ

[smr-nj]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

Here's another one.

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala?fbclid=IwY2xjawGRx4xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHb7k1l59ZnL7-n7MLU3xOaDpXeHkNQULjB5sl2Ij63VKUQrA-E8QG8DQrg_aem_i8sfqyk2RTwKZH8LYfXASQ

Can you imagine if this is your daughter? Your wife? Your granddaughter?

Is there any woman in your family that this happening would change your mind ? …..Make you realize that this is NOT “God’s will”???

 

 

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

Can you imagine if this is your daughter? Your wife? Your granddaughter?

Is there any woman in your family that this happening would change your mind ? …..Make you realize that this is NOT “God’s will”???

 

 

 Exactly. Seems to me that G-d helped us provide treatments, to save women and in this case, it's suggested that it's possible early action might have saved her pregnancy as well. 

[LaceyLou]

One thing I forgot to point out is that this particular woman who died, along with her mother, were in support of the abortion ban at one time. 

Her mother sadly learned the hard way one reason that these bans can result in tragedy.

[CMRivdogs]

Well now....

https://bsky.app/profile/nbcnews.com/post/3lbuc5wat2c2r

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Abortion rates were expected to drop after Roe was overturned. Instead, they rose – and birth rates fell. Here’s how it happened: nbcnews.app.link/v9ctMmr9POb

Sounds a bit like Prohibition. 

Edited November 26, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[Tigeraholic1]

27 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Well now....

https://bsky.app/profile/nbcnews.com/post/3lbuc5wat2c2r

Sounds a bit like Prohibition. 

A million abortions wow! So much winning...... Something yall can hang your hats on, nice.

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

A million abortions wow! So much winning...... Something yall can hang your hats on, nice.

In other words you are fine with a million more abortions, plus an unknown number of mothers who died under the "right to life's" new draconian rulings.

Sounds very MAGA to me.

[Tigeraholic1]

43 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

In other words you are fine with a million more abortions, plus an unknown number of mothers who died under the "right to life's" new draconian rulings.

Sounds very MAGA to me.

Nope, you enjoy it! Indiana abortion rights are fine by me. Notice no limit to life of mother risk. My daughter is one of the Midwest right for life chapter leaders. She will be in DC for the March for life again this year in January just like she has for the past 5 years. Very proud of her and her convictions. 

 

[CMRivdogs]

6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Nope, you enjoy it! Indiana abortion rights are fine by me. Notice no limit to life of mother risk. My daughter is one of the Midwest right for life chapter leaders. She will be in DC for the March for life again this year in January just like she has for the past 5 years. Very proud of her and her convictions. 

 

You forgot this.

• Rape or incest

  Abortion is permitted up to 10 weeks of pregnancy in cases of rape or incest 

   

   

The law also:

• Prohibits abortion pills after 8 weeks of pregnancy
• Requires abortion pills to be dispensed in person and taken in the presence of a physician
• States that "human physical life begins when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm" 
   
   

 

Why don't those going to DC vow to adopt or foster children born to rape victims. And or women who may be unable or not capable of raising the child. 
 

I have no issue with restricting abortions of a HEALTHY fetus after the second trimester or somewhere near there. But I've seen too many young women (and teen age girls) whose lives were ruined because of a mistake or a very persuasive boy friend.
 

It's just me... 

[oblong]

"Right to life" is one of the biggest misnomers out there.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

11 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

You forgot this.

 

• Rape or incest

  Abortion is permitted up to 10 weeks of pregnancy in cases of rape or incest 

   

   

The law also:

• Prohibits abortion pills after 8 weeks of pregnancy
• Requires abortion pills to be dispensed in person and taken in the presence of a physician
• States that "human physical life begins when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm" 
   
   

 

Why don't those going to DC vow to adopt or foster children born to rape victims. And or women who may be unable or not capable of raising the child. 
 

I have no issue with restricting abortions of a HEALTHY fetus after the second trimester or somewhere near there. But I've seen too many young women (and teen age girls) whose lives were ruined because of a mistake or a very persuasive boy friend.
 

It's just me... 

You do you brother.

[1776]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

"Right to life" is one of the biggest misnomers out there.

 

No, this is a misnomer. Planned Parenthood. Have a read.
 

https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-planned-parenthoods-2021-22-annual-report/