Abortion and the Politics of Reproductive Rights in the Post-Roe Era

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Legally speaking you are correct, but this country was founded by Christian men who didn't want religion to have power, but still built it on a foundation of their Christian values.  To be fair, that's all I was arguing in my joking attempt to get Christians to get on board with aborting sinful (non baptized) babies.   I think you'll find most liberals agree with me too, at least when they want to claim that this country inherently is racist, sexist, and imposes morales others may not have on them. 

I agree with this up to one sticking point. When the American Colonies were under British rule, there was only one religion mandated by the King. True it was "Christian" but every citizen had to pay homage to the Church of England (Thanks to Henry VII). Which basically ment that if you were Jewish, Baptist, Muslim or Heaven forbid Catholic, you were considered a heretic. 

A major example, in 1774 when the Virginia House of Burgess voted to declare a day of "Fasting, Humiliation, and Prayer" in support of the Massachusetts Colony following the sanctions impose in response to the "Tea Party". The Royal Governor disbanded the House. "Because only the King can declare a religious day" 

https://www.ouramericanrevolution.org/index.cfm/page/view/p0206#:~:text=On May 24%2C 1774%2C after,threatens destruction to our Civil

Edited November 27, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[CMRivdogs]

To me the bottom line is when "Right to Lifers" put in as much effort to promoting the quality of life for those already born as they do to the "unborn"

 

[gehringer_2]

36 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

True it was "Christian" but every citizen had to pay homage to the Church of England (Thanks to Henry VII). Which basically ment that if you were Jewish, Baptist, Muslim or Heaven forbid Catholic, you were considered a heretic. 

This was somewhat variable by region  - in pre-revolutionary Boston a good part of the population was not Church of England. Obviously a lot of the aristocracy on both side of the revolution were, but the pilgrim/puritan heritage in New England was independent/Congregationalist and chuch/state separatist.

[CMRivdogs]

53 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

This was somewhat variable by region  - in pre-revolutionary Boston a good part of the population was not Church of England. Obviously a lot of the aristocracy on both side of the revolution were, but the pilgrim/puritan heritage in New England was independent/Congregationalist and chuch/state separatist.

The New England Colonies (Mass, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania and Maryland) were basically established as a refuge to religious persecution. Virginia and New York were considered more commercial enterprises. By the time we got from 1619 to somewhere around the 1770s I believe it may have been a mixed bag.

Governor Dunmore's proclamation was probably an attempt to tamp down on the dissent brewing in the Virginia Colony following the crackdown in Boston. Still the Church of England was the preferred version of the crown. At least in Virginia some Baptist ministers were jailed for their beliefs. Non Anglicans were heavily taxed to support the King's Church

Edited November 28, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[Tigeraholic1]

More women taking a stand. Super proud of the seniors, what a tough decision.  ❤️ 

 

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Tigeraholic1]

lol

[chasfh]

It’s all grins and giggles until someone gets executed by firing squad for killing a baby.

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

It’s all grins and giggles until someone gets executed by firing squad for killing a baby.

yup, and with this SCOTUS it would happen.

[Edman85]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:13 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

lol

Glad that's funny to you.

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

It’s all grins and giggles until someone gets executed by firing squad for killing a baby.

If someone really thinks abortion is murder then isn’t death by firing squad not only justice but also bibilical?  The gun nuts love to quote the Bible so I assume guns are covered in there somewhere along with the gay stuff and immigrants and America first. I mean it has to favor America because it’s written in English, right?

[CMRivdogs]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:13 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

lol

Let he who is without sin.....

[Tigeraholic1]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

It’s all grins and giggles until someone gets executed by firing squad for killing a baby.

The way you phrased this it would be murder no?

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, oblong said:

If someone really thinks abortion is murder then isn’t death by firing squad not only justice but also bibilical?  The gun nuts love to quote the Bible so I assume guns are covered in there somewhere along with the gay stuff and immigrants and America first. I mean it has to favor America because it’s written in English, right?

I would think stoning the woman to death would be far more biblical. But yeah, I think you’re in the ballpark.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The way you phrased this it would be murder no?

Isn’t it?

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Isn’t it?

Never mind—I’ll step back in here because you’re going to sidestep this and complain about gotchaism and all that anyway.

If you believe that abortion is murder, and you also believe there should be the death penalty for murder, then by the transitive property, you believe that women who are convicted of getting abortions should receive the death penalty.

Tell me what this logic is missing, please.

[Tigeraholic1]

I only quoted your own words, no gotcha needed.