Tigeraholic1 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, pfife said: This may be true, but I think most nations would not want foreign troops on their soil, including our own. Agreed, not arguing that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, pfife said: I can definitely see them saying no to foreign troops on their soil. You're trying to frame this as if the USA would just barge in and start unleashing their fury. Think more joint missions and less carpet bombing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, MIguy said: You're trying to frame this as if the USA would just barge in and start unleashing their fury. Think more joint missions and less carpet bombing. My fear for that scenario is then the drug cartels bring the war into the US where we start to see kidnappings, reporters shot, judges blown up, etc on our soil. If we can bring it to them then they will bring it to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, oblong said: My fear for that scenario is then the drug cartels bring the war into the US where we start to see kidnappings, reporters shot, judges blown up, etc on our soil. If we can bring it to them then they will bring it to us. The USA has several cartel leaders in their custody, including El Chapo and his son. If the cartels had the capability to launch attacks on our soil, they would have certainly done so by now in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, MIguy said: You're trying to frame this as if the USA would just barge in and start unleashing their fury. Think more joint missions and less carpet bombing. There have been Mexican administrations in years past that were more open to assistance from US LEO, if not direct military, than the current one. Things ebb and flow in Mexico. This does not seem to be one of the better eras. TBH, I would guess the way things are going we are going to start seeing more El Salvador solutions to our South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MIguy said: You're trying to frame this as if the USA would just barge in and start unleashing their fury. Think more joint missions and less carpet bombing. Neither candidate said it how you're characterizing it here, at all.... and that's the only frame we have. I cannot confirm if either candidate has discussed this already with the Mexican government but I suspect not, as this would be against the law. If all of that is true then there's no compulsion to accept your framing of it. It also would not be surprising to me if Tiny D esp would talk a big tuff guy game and say they're going in regardless of what the Mexican govt says but that's definitely speculation. Edited September 28, 2023 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: There have been Mexican administrations in years past that were more open to assistance from US LEO, if not direct military, than the current one. Things ebb and flow in Mexico. This does not seem to be one of the better eras. TBH, I would guess the way things are going we are going to start seeing more El Salvador solutions to our South. Yeah, the current president sure seems to be on the side or the cartels, or at least oblivious to what is actually going on. Just saw an article from earlier in the year where he claimed that "fentanyl is America's problem" and that the drug is not being made in his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MIguy said: Yeah, the current president sure seems to be on the side or the cartels, or at least oblivious to what is actually going on. Just saw an article from earlier in the year where he claimed that "fentanyl is America's problem" and that the drug is not being made in his country. and of course, the Fentanyl problem is in reality just the echo of the Oxycontin problem. The growth of the fentanyl 'market' has been driven in large part by the ending of opiate over-prescription. But once you create a mass population of addicts it's like a pig in a python. They don't just go away just because their 1st pusher gets busted (in this case US Pharma). They, and their need for fixes, will continue to move through the demographic. Edited September 28, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: and of course, the Fentanyl problem is in reality just the echo of the Oxycontin problem. The growth of the fentanyl 'market' has been driven in large part by the ending of opiate over-prescription. But once you create a mass population of addicts it's like a pig in a python. They don't just go away just because their 1st pusher gets busted (in this case US Pharma). They, and their need for fixes, will continue to move through the demographic. and of course, one way to see the Oxycontin disaster is as a massive regulatory failure, and which party is it that constantly whines about and is consistently working to deregulate their corporate sponsors? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, MIguy said: You're trying to frame this as if the USA would just barge in and start unleashing their fury. Think more joint missions and less carpet bombing. The current Mexican government is tending towards Fascist and would sooner allow the Chinese or Russian military into their country and ZERO chance of letting in any USA troops, anti-drug Special Forces or otherwise. Chance of joint Mexican-USA forces missions: NONE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Drudge is teasing that a late entry into the GOP race would shake things up. Have no idea who that would possibly be. People like Ryan or Romney are certified RINO establishment types. It'll just be someone who will max out at 7%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 Younkin is the name I keep hearing. Doesn't seem inspiring to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Youngkin is Trump lite (like the rest of them) Not as swarmy as Tiny D, but has no track record. Bills himself as a successful businessman. In truth he was pushed out of the business. He only won in Va because his opponent was an uninspiring Clintonite. And the So called mainline GOP heads rigged the "primary" to stop a real Trumpster from winning because nobody liked her. Edited September 28, 2023 by CMRivdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 8 hours ago, MIguy said: The USA has several cartel leaders in their custody, including El Chapo and his son. If the cartels had the capability to launch attacks on our soil, they would have certainly done so by now in my opinion. Maybe they haven't done so by now because they haven't been attacked on their soil by the U.S. military yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 hours ago, oblong said: Drudge is teasing that a late entry into the GOP race would shake things up. Have no idea who that would possibly be. People like Ryan or Romney are certified RINO establishment types. It'll just be someone who will max out at 7%. Roseanne Barr? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 hours ago, oblong said: Drudge is teasing that a late entry into the GOP race would shake things up. Have no idea who that would possibly be. People like Ryan or Romney are certified RINO establishment types. It'll just be someone who will max out at 7%. Scott Baio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Don Jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, MIguy said: Don Jr He could possibly be worse than his father. He's the dumb version of his father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Roseanne Barr? I honestly don't think people like her are any more ridiculous than Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: He could possibly be worse than his father. He's the dumb version of his father. What scares me is he has a lot of support from the same MAGA morons that support daddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I honestly don't think people like her are any more ridiculous than Trump. Nothing to do with ridiculousness. Everything to do with shaking things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 The crazy Kennedy is going Independent. https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclusive-robert-f-kennedy-jr-planning-to-announce-independent-run/ I just hope people on the left are smart enough to look past his last name to see what a crackpot he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 25 minutes ago, MIguy said: The crazy Kennedy is going Independent. https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclusive-robert-f-kennedy-jr-planning-to-announce-independent-run/ I just hope people on the left are smart enough to look past his last name to see what a crackpot he is. I hope someone tracks down where his money is coming from. That should be a much more interesting story than his campaign. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I hope someone tracks down where his money is coming from. That should be a much more interesting story than his campaign. Big Supplement, I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 The crazy Kennedy is more popular with Republicans than Democrats https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/robert-f-kennedy-jr-biden-2024-democratic-primary-polling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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