pfife Posted September 30, 2023 Author Share Posted September 30, 2023 it would be pretty bodacious if that Bannon plan backfired on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 16 hours ago, MIguy said: The crazy Kennedy is going Independent. https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclusive-robert-f-kennedy-jr-planning-to-announce-independent-run/ I just hope people on the left are smart enough to look past his last name to see what a crackpot he is. I think they are, at least as far as those on the left edge of the Democratic Party are concerned. The main concern I have is that Kennedy siphons off enough of those hard lefties that it makes the difference in the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 I'm pretty skeptical that RFK Jr. is gonna make much of a difference in this election in the same way that Kanye 2020 was a non-factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 I think his MAGA bundlers are hoping for a Jill Stein effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 After Nader in 2000 and Stein in 2016 I think the hard core left learned their lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 15 hours ago, oblong said: After Nader in 2000 and Stein in 2016 I think the hard core left learned their lesson. Maybe, although eight years is long enough for a new generation of ignorant people with votes to come of age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2016 saw historic rises in 3rd party voting because people didn't like Trump or Clinton. I think we're going to see the same sort of numbers in the 2024 election. As a refresher, here are the approximate number of third party votes in Michigan for the past three presidential elections..... 2012 - 50,000 2016 - 250,000 2020 - 83,000 The important thing to remember from this is that Trump won Michigan in 2016 by just over 11,000 votes. Someone like the crazy Kennedy being on the ballot could very well be what decides who wins Michigan and other key states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Maybe, although eight years is long enough for a new generation of ignorant people with votes to come of age. The youth on the left don't remember any of them and don't care. That's different from the elderly on the right who still talk about Reagan. The left wants progress. The right used to want everything to stay the same. Now it wants regression back to the 1950s? Or is it the 1860s? Edited October 1, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, MIguy said: 2016 saw historic rises in 3rd party voting because people didn't like Trump or Clinton. I think we're going to see the same sort of numbers in the 2024 election. As a refresher, here are the approximate number of third party votes in Michigan for the past three presidential elections..... 2012 - 50,000 2016 - 250,000 2020 - 83,000 The important thing to remember from this is that Trump won Michigan in 2016 by just over 11,000 votes. Someone like the crazy Kennedy being on the ballot could very well be what decides who wins Michigan and other key states. we can only hope the dynamic is reversed. In '16 you had a lot of Dems that didn't want to vote for Clinton. Hopefully in ;24 we have a lot of Repub that don't want to vote for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: The youth on the left don't remember any of them and don't care. That's different from the elderly on the right who still talk about Reagan. The left wants progress. The right used to want everything to stay the same. Now it wants regression back to the 1950s? Or is it the 1860s? Nah, they don’t want the 1860s. April 1954 will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 21 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: we can only hope the dynamic is reversed. In '16 you had a lot of Dems that didn't want to vote for Clinton. Hopefully in ;24 we have a lot of Repub that don't want to vote for Trump. They didn't want to, and many of them didn't, because they assumed she'd win anyway. But if they could redo their vote I bet they would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) On 9/30/2023 at 5:05 PM, oblong said: After Nader in 2000 and Stein in 2016 I think the hard core left learned their lesson. It also doesn't hurt that Bernie, who still holds sway over A LOT of these voters, has been pretty outspoken in his support for Joe Biden since after the 2020 primary. 21 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: we can only hope the dynamic is reversed. In '16 you had a lot of Dems that didn't want to vote for Clinton. Hopefully in ;24 we have a lot of Repub that don't want to vote for Trump. Still think one of the more underdiscussed things about 2022 and special elections since has been the fact that there's been clear evidence that persuasion has made an impact.... Republicans won the popular vote at the national level in 2022 yet still only won a slim majority and managed to lose a lot of winnable races in the Midwest / PA / etc. In some of the special elections since 2022, GOP turnout has been decent relative to Dem turnout, yet the Dem candidates are outperforming 2020 Biden in their districts, etc. And that speaks a bit to your latter suggestion.... whether it's Trump being Trump or Roe V Wade or both, there exists at least some evidence that the number of anti-Trump Republicans out there is being underestimated both in the polls and in the discourse. We'll have to see in due time. Edited October 2, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 To be clear, if Trump wins there will be riots in the cities, where teh left lives, but if Trump wins, some people will be somewhat unhappy and there will be conflict, probably coming from teh left, because, you know, teh left. The Presidential Election Outcome Could Lead to Violence Washington Times If Trump is elected president, there almost certainly will be widespread riots in our cities. Similarly, in the event of Mr. Biden’s reelection, large segments of American society may refuse to accept him as president, and the subsequent four years would be marked by conflict. The United States may become ungovernable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 That should give Nikki a vote, possibly two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 She does have some momentum though... If she wipes the slate clean except for DeSantis & Trump... It would at least make the Republican Primaries a whole lot more interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 RFK Jr now running as an independent, which is no surprise. Does he syphon off more votes from Biden or Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 More Biden votes in blue states, Trump votes in swing states. Just a hunch, but I see west coast hippy types being on board with him, as well as antivaxxers across the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: RFK Jr now running as an independent, which is no surprise. Does he syphon off more votes from Biden or Trump? There's also Option 3, where he's Kanye 2.0.... I think that stock in this discussion is undervalued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, Edman85 said: More Biden votes in blue states, Trump votes in swing states. Just a hunch, but I see west coast hippy types being on board with him, as well as antivaxxers across the country. West coast hippy types wouldn't bother me at all. My only worries would bein the purple states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, mtutiger said: There's also Option 3, where he's Kanye 2.0.... I think that stock in this discussion is undervalued. This would be the preferred option. I am hoping that Trump has shown enough poison that everyone is NOW a sensible voter (Independents and moderates of both parties and even some of the fringe left types) and will vote for NOONE except a Democrat until American Fascism has died out (or at least died down to a minor fringe instead of an entire Republican Party...) Edited October 10, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just a guess but I think of the IDGAF voters who did support Trump beause "they're all crooked" could vote for RJK Jr, if they even bother voting. But there has to be a draw to him like Trump had. The rallies, the slogans, etc. He could get a few % votes in a poll but how does that translate to people actually voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is the funniest thing I've read today. Lets see how long it lasts before the account is banned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Fox spent months fluffing RFK Jr; now you know why they are in attack mode 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: Fox spent months fluffing RFK Jr; now you know why they are in attack mode Beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Can any of these folks actually manage anything without out causing a FUBAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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