mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) I'm about to turn it off, but Chris Christie's answer discussing Israel / Palestine kinda makes me nostalgic for what GOP Politics used to be. Edited November 9, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, mtutiger said: So, apparently there's a debate going on tonight.... Why? I have no clue. It was scheduled.... And... Trump is holding a rally down in Hialeah trying to steal their thunder... Hah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 57 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Like, on November 7th, 2023? I don't know. Do you have turnout by age group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) I turned it back on... it's amazing that we are just now getting to Social Security and nobody has asked about abortion yet Edited November 9, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Haley and Christie are the only ones that come across a reasonably sane and not just spewing practiced talking points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, MIguy said: Haley and Christie are the only ones that come across a reasonably sane and not just spewing practiced talking points. MAGA wants insanity, but good luck to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 I honestly wouldn’t care if Christie won. Not my first choice but if it’s gotta be an R he’s the best we can reasonably hope for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) If Christie had actually been as governor the person he projects himself as now, he'd be more appealing. But with any politician I'm far more interested in 'what did you/have done' than 'what can you say that sounds good'. He did not cover himself in glory as the Gov of NJ and his rejection of Trump only after being rebuffed in his efforts to join the circle don't combine to paint a person who *acts* with nearly the level of principle he talks. That said, when it comes to the GOP the one eyed man may still be king in the land of the blind. Edited November 9, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 That's why the public's fascination with 'new faces' is so destructive to good leadership. Talk is cheap, anyone can say anything. But your record, what you actually did, can't be waived away with 30 seconds of appealing rhetoric. If there were one thing I wish America would stop doing so much of it's *listening* to politicians. Stop listening at look at their records. That's the only thing close to truth you will get access to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, oblong said: I honestly wouldn’t care if Christie won. Not my first choice but if it’s gotta be an R he’s the best we can reasonably hope for. I'd add Haley.... they both fall within the PJ O'Rourke category of "crazy within reason". The rest are awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If Christie had actually been as governor the person he projects himself as now, he'd be more appealing. But with any politician I'm far more interested in 'what did you/have done' than 'what can you say that sounds good'. He did not cover himself in glory as the Gov of NJ and his rejection of Trump only after being rebuffed in his efforts to join the circle don't combine to paint a person who *acts* with nearly the level of principle he talks. That said, when it comes to the GOP the one eyed man may still be king in the land of the blind. He was an awful Governor and had made terrible choices since.... being the first major figure to endorse Trump is chief among them. But as far as substance goes, yeah, he's better than the rest at this point. It says a lot about the current state of the Republican Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Yes, Christie groveling before Trump in 2016 is a lasting image that he will never be able to shake off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Out of all the prizes on the board last night, Pennsylvania was probably the most telling.... and it was a five-alarm fire for the Republican Party. Things just aren't adding up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) Uhh, not sure Senile Don has his facts straight here.... Edited November 9, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: Like, on November 7th, 2023? Yeah, keep Women's Rights in front of everyone and they'll turn out. Especially the Abortion issue. There were a lot of Repugnantcans that liked having the Pro-Life issue as a weapon but said amongst themselves that overturning Roe would be a nightmare for Repugnantcans, and here we are. Edited November 9, 2023 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiger337 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 7 hours ago, mtutiger said: Uhh, not sure Senile Don has his facts straight here.... As usual, people are talkng about a numerical error instead of his sick twisted logic that a psychopath who shows that he's the boss is a smart person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Regarding Christie, I remember the flack he took in 2012 when a Hurricane hit New Jersey. It was like the week before the election or something and "He's out there hobnobbing with Barrack Obama". I'm not saying that to change any minds and I know the other crap he did as Governor. I just don't think he's going to destroy democracy or severely curtail some of our rights. That's a low bar I know but given today's GOP the minimum baseline is critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, oblong said: Regarding Christie, I remember the flack he took in 2012 when a Hurricane hit New Jersey. It was like the week before the election or something and "He's out there hobnobbing with Barrack Obama". I'm not saying that to change any minds and I know the other crap he did as Governor. I just don't think he's going to destroy democracy or severely curtail some of our rights. That's a low bar I know but given today's GOP the minimum baseline is critical. Sure - I wouldn't argue that he is basically the only one on the stage who is not certifiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 8 hours ago, mtutiger said: Uhh, not sure Senile Don has his facts straight here.... And the mainstream media keeps worrying about Biden's mental attributes. Too much catsup on burnt steaks (and Diet Coke) rots the brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Sure - I wouldn't argue that he is basically the only one on the stage who is not certifiable. I thought that was Haley... Edited November 9, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 New York Daily on Trump's Unfitness (my highlights): https://finance.yahoo.com/news/editorial-testifying-unfitness-trump-testimony-090000605.html Editorial: Testifying to his unfitness: Trump testimony shows what he is about New York Daily News Editorial Board, New York Daily News Thu, November 9, 2023 at 4:00 AM EST·3 min read While under oath this week Donald Trump was instructed to answer questions about his financial documents as part of New York Attorney General Tish James’ civil fraud trial over allegations that he illegally altered the value of his assets. Unsurprisingly, the former president and would-be coup leader tried to answer very little, instead turning Manhattan state Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron’s courtroom into yet another venue for his never-ending campaign and crusade against his enemies real and perceived. In a representative exchange, he called the federal and state prosecutors looking into him “all haters.” It’s easy to snicker at Trump’s sophomoric attitude, his inability to keep calm even when his business — the source of his very identity and mythology — are on the line, his pettiness, his casual disregard for legal process. It all feeds into the image of Trump as buffoon, a kind of petulant and malignant forever child who’s always good for a laugh, an image that certainly provides comfort to his many liberal and moderate detractors. Yet that’s not necessarily the right way to view the theatrics on display in the courtroom downtown. To regard them as farce or entertainment ignores just how dangerous the underlying motivations are. Trump’s deepest and perhaps sole true belief is that he is beyond any reproach or accountability, owed nothing but devotion and subservience, and incapable of error. It might strike us as funny that he seems so intent on attacking the very judge that has the power to impose huge fines, hollow out his fraud-riddled real estate operation and remove him from the business via a prohibition on serving as a corporate officer. Really, though, it’s a display of power. Trump is indicating that he doesn’t care or doesn’t have to care what the judge rules, either because he’s already posturing for an appeal or, more likely, because he believes he’s simply untouchable by the law. This was driven home not just by Trump but his lawyers, particularly the similarly unpleasant Chris Kise, who among other things told the judge, when asked if he could control his client, that they should just allow the “former and future chief executive of the United States” answer how he pleased. The implication was clear: Trump is practically preordained to retake the executive reins of the country (note that Kise didn’t simply say “president” but used the term more commonly associated with the generally unconstrained leader of a corporation) and he has the absolute right to answer or not answer questions as he likes, something a lowly judge shouldn’t be able to constrain. From the start, Trump and his team has treated this and every other inquiry into his wrongdoing as a politically-motivated overreach, which would already be concerning if they were not also drawing up plans to exact supposed revenge via taking political control of the federal law enforcement apparatus the second he gets back in the White House. In that light, turning Engoron’s courtroom into a circus is much more sinister than it is amusing. Trump is sure that he just has to wait out the clock until he can get elected again and then will finally free himself from any remnants of legal inhibitions. For that reason alone, he can never be allowed back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 More Existential Hyperbole: https://www.yahoo.com/news/secret-trumps-revenge-plot-hes-104501737.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 More of this please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 this guy will end up voting for Trump a third time because Dems will force him to, but still a good tweet Erick Erickson @EWErickson The GOP is no longer a national party. It is a collection of disparate regional parties. In some areas, the party wins by being tied to Trump. In some areas, it loses by being tied to Trump. What wins in pro-Trump areas and what wins in anti-Trump areas are incompatible, which means the party's coalition is unstable and unworkable nationally. It allows the Democrats, if they are more united, to win nationally against a party divided against itself whose base is chiefly motivated to funding and voting for one man and not the party or other candidates. The candidate is the cause whereas, for Democrats right now, the cause is the candidate embodied in whoever's name happens to be on the ballot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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