chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 20 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: Just a few points on the "Are you better off" question with a few facts from JVL (Bullwerk) https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/the-definitive-answer-to-the-question?utm_source=substack&publication_id=87281&post_id=142360180&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=false&r=45wcm&triedRedirect=true Crime??? In Trump’s 2020, America became a criminal hellscape the likes of which we have never seen. Under Joe Biden, the murder rate has fallen every year—and the drop from 2022 to 2023 is one of the largest declines in the murder rate in American history. And it’s not just murder that’s down: Violent crime is down across the board. One more thing: In 2020, 8,600 American troops were in harm’s way in Afghanistan. Today that number is zero.³ I love this because the Trump running dog media are always hammering Biden for problems with the economy that inevitably struggled to recover from COVID at the time he picked it up, so if it's fair game to hammer Biden for that, then it's at least equally fair game to hammer Trump for the economy tanking in 2020 in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, chasfh said: I love this because the Trump running dog media are always hammering Biden for problems with the economy that inevitably struggled to recover from COVID at the time he picked it up, so if it's fair game to hammer Biden for that, then it's at least equally fair game to hammer Trump for the economy tanking in 2020 in the first place. Trump showed the worst leadership in a time of crisis of any President in my lifetime. He acted like he didn't give a ****. How anybody could have watched his performance during Covid and think that he is competent is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Trump showed the worst leadership in a time of crisis of any President in my lifetime. He acted like he didn't give a ****. How anybody could have watched his performance during Covid and think that he is competent is beyond me. He treated COVID as a PR crisis instead of a public health crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 12 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I agree. Anybody expecting to see a senile old man must have been disappinted. It did sound like a campaign speech, but that's what you are going to get in today's political environment. It was an effective one. I love how he shredded his "predecessor" too. I doubt this speech moves the needle very far in terms of votes, but I think it dispells any notions that he is mentally incompetent. The media coverage alone will help an decent amount IMO.... he hasn't had a lot of good news cycles in recent memory and he really flipped the script. But the cadence needs to ramp up starting now as well for lasting change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Ronz Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: The only thing I got out of this is that since Trump the Hatch Act must no longer be a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 19 hours ago, mtutiger said: Oh my But the $64 question is, are they going to take the note? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It was pre-rebuttal but saw some speculation that Britt may have been on Trump's "short list" for VP candidates. I have a feeling that list is constantly changing, Britt was not MAGA enough for some supporters, but was liked by those who write checks. I've got a feeling she's no longer welcome in Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 11 hours ago, romad1 said: Good on you Mitt Mitt heard the '80s calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, mtutiger said: Amazing I expect we will hear a lot more about how the Biden White House is awash in speed and Xanax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I agree. Anybody expecting to see a senile old man must have been disappinted. It did sound like a campaign speech, but that's what you are going to get in today's political environment. It was an effective one. I love how he shredded his "predecessor" too. I doubt this speech moves the needle very far in terms of votes, but I think it dispells any notions that he is mentally incompetent. SOTU has long been a platform for the current president to tout his accomplishments, so of course in an election year, it's going to come off as a campaign speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: I came here from a clip on Twitter and had the same thought. I thought it was a cross between an SNL hostage video and a B-grade actress in a Hallmark movie. Counterpoint: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 53 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Trump showed the worst leadership in a time of crisis of any President in my lifetime. He acted like he didn't give a ****. How anybody could have watched his performance during Covid and think that he is competent is beyond me. I think to that to the red hats, competent is far less important than simpatico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This is what the MAGA base, almost certainly the vast majority of whom refused to watch the SOTU, will take away from last night's speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Seeing leftists online hung up that Biden said illegal during his speech. Always a purity contest with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I think to that to the red hats, competent is far less important than simpatico. But he hates them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Holy ****. I just saw parts of Britt’s speech now. What glitchy AI tarnation was that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Counterpoint: What is their base really though? They are the party of Trump, which will be a serious problem for them in the not-so-distant future. They've completely alienated anyone remotely conservative who categorically won't vote for Trump, and a significant portion of those who will vote for Trump won't vote for anyone not named Trump; maybe not even anyone not named Donald Trump. Katie Britt, or Nicky Haley, or [insert any non-Trump Republican] secures an electoral map reminiscent of 2008. It's all about Donald. Edited March 8 by MichiganCardinal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 According to a colleague who was surveying conservative reddit today, he says they thought Britt crapped the bed in a spectacular way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Biden could channel his inner Churchill and MAGA's wouldn't be impressed. Trump could sound like PeeWee Herman and they would call it a great speech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The Katie Britt stuff out there today is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: What is their base really though? They are the party of Trump, which will be a serious problem for them in the not-so-distant future. They've completely alienated anyone remotely conservative who categorically won't vote for Trump, and a significant portion of those who will vote for Trump won't vote for anyone not named Trump; maybe not even anyone not named Donald Trump. Katie Britt, or Nicky Haley, or [insert any non-Trump Republican] secures an electoral map reminiscent of 2008. It's all about Donald. Which leads again to the question of, what's life after Donald like for the GOP? Biden, fairly or unfairly, gets a lot more scrutiny for his age, but Trump is 78 and in worse health (at least in all likelihood). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tigeraholic1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 19 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Biden could channel his inner Churchill and MAGA's wouldn't be impressed. Trump could sound like PeeWee Herman and they would call it a great speech The late Paul Reubens take offence to that! 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Am I the only one who is wondering how someone born and raised and lived their entire life in Alabama doesn't have an accent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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