chasfh Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 hours ago, romad1 said: Have you met libertarians? Not only have I met Libertarians, a close relative of mine is one, and I have asked the very same question of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 16 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: My mom went to Eastern Michigan in the early 1970s and paid for her college, books, and gas by working a part time retail job throughout the year. She took out a small loan and when she finished college (didn't officially graduate) had no student loan debt. After she graduated she bought her first house at the age of 22 and went to work for Michigan Bell and had a near 30 year career with MI Bell/AT&T. She was forced into retirement around the age of 60 when she was laid off during the recession. She went back to work for another 6 years or so after being laid off and then officially retired around age 66. I went to Wayne State in the late 2000s and worked a part time retail job during the school year and full time during the spring and summer months. I even got promoted to a Shift Supervisor position and went up to $9.25/hr. as a Supervisor. I graduated with $40,000 in debt from Wayne State and no prospects for a job better than what I had due to the economic being in the midst of the Great Recession. So then I went back to school and got a Masters Degree while I road out the recession. I added another $15,000 or so in debt load from going for my Masters. I bought my first house at 28. I only was able to do so because housing prices were still deflated and I had a friend of mine move in with me and help out with the bills. I have a decent job right now and can say I am comfortable month to month, and even have a little savings. But I am by no means doing great. I'll never retire. I simply won't have enough in my 401k (which I contribute to monthly) and Social Security to retire. MAGA is going to gut Social Security anyways if and when they take back power in November. I can remember when the Virginia Community College system charged next to nothing for tuition. Looked at the cost for the one in Richmond the other day, nearly $15 thousand not including materials. My wife was part of the first Co-Ed class at UVa in 1972, All in including room and meals was about $5. She did go on a full ride. My son graduated from Milwaukee School of Engineering in 1995 or so. Total yearly tuition was just shy of $10 Thousand including room and meals. Now it's running just short of $50 thousand a year. Thank goodness we had CBS radio stock options back then were running about $65 a share. I just checked on Parent Company Audicy...10 cents a share... That's what the free market gives you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: College is such a scam these days. Society says you will be a failure unless you attened a four year school. Not only do you walk away with huge student loan chances are you will not use your degree for your career. How many classes are you forced to take that have zero impact on your degree of study? Trade schools have a much lower cost. My kids HS offers an apprenticeship that you start as a Jr. and graduate with a Ass. degree with ZERO debt. His buddy who he plays baseball with is a senior and already has a job lined up in June working with Plumbers Steam Fitters Union starting pay? 27.50 an hour day 1 out of HS. We met with the director of this program and they said there are over 100 open positions just in this area for that exact job. My wife, a nurse got her bachelor's degree and her hospital reimbursed schooling costs, she had to stay there for three years to qualify after graduating but paid in full. She is now licensed to work in any ICU in the world. Go to college get a degree but make sure there is a market for your talents. That's what's nice about cooperative education and/or internships. You get experience, and are able to help pay for school with the salary you make. It also helps you figure out pretty quickly whether or not you'll be at least recently happy with the path you chose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 hours ago, chasfh said: Not only have I met Libertarians, a close relative of mine is one, and I have asked the very same question of him. Was just reading British comedian David Mitchell's book on the monarchy of briton down through the ages. He's got a great case against libertarian philosophy in the beginning when he rails about the period known as the Dark Ages being a time when the loss or Roman authority in Briton lead to the loss of all sorts of oppression such sanitation, running water and the rule of law. Libertarians in the Dark Ages were probably pretty happy but we won't know because they didn't leave any evidence of that happiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, romad1 said: ... British comedian David Mitchell's ... got a great case against libertarian philosophy in the beginning when he rails about the period known as the Dark Ages being a time when the loss or Roman authority in Briton lead to the loss of all sorts of oppression such sanitation, running water and the rule of law. Libertarians in the Dark Ages were probably pretty happy but we won't know because they didn't leave any evidence of that happiness. That IS quite the comical take... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I’ll allow it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Wine glasses clink at the Klobachur office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Ken Burns usually takes the high road...not today. Trump is the opioid of all opioids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, romad1 said: Wine glasses clink at the Klobachur office The party of free speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 10 hours ago, romad1 said: Wine glasses clink at the Klobachur office Not at all racist, either 10 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: Ken Burns usually takes the high road...not today. Trump is the opioid of all opioids Interesting to see some in the audience pointedly not clapping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I fall to see how she is different than my MAGA congressman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I fall to see how she is different than my MAGA congressman. Her district is about to suffer for this. That sounds like something from the "Hunger Games" but really that is how the world works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 22 minutes ago, romad1 said: Her district is about to suffer for this. That sounds like something from the "Hunger Games" but really that is how the world works. I'm sorry but I will have no sympathy for her or her district if Trump wins. There's higher priorities. Democrats came to her side when Trump attacked her. Democrats fought for the people of her district and this is what she does. Who the hell does she think she is punishing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 On 5/25/2024 at 9:08 AM, chasfh said: Jesus, what are these people, fifteen? What a clown show. It's a clown show, but anyone who tells Dump to **** himself is not all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 6 hours ago, chasfh said: Not at all racist, either Interesting to see some in the audience pointedly not clapping I was watching the guy to the right of him. He was either conflicted or constipated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Fun if true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Even better…RFK Jr does not get nationwide ballot access. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 This is DC so don’t think 90% of the people within 1 mile of this event are not hostile to Trump but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ronz Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, romad1 said: I see Stormy Daniels got one vote. 😁 Didn't realize Ben Dover was still alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 We once had a substitute teacher in high school. He said his name was Ben Dover. Some students believed him and started calling him Mr Dover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ronz Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 This guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I'll throw this here rather than creating a House Election thread... It's interesting because his gerrymandered district runs about 250 miles north to south, includes the cities of Danville and Lynchburg before reaching into the far suburbs of NoVa. I saw tons of Trump/Good signs while driving thru the area Sunday. I guess they need to be updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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