Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Except those polls are pretty meaningless because none of those people have mounted any kind of national campaign to raise their recognition levels. August to November provides plenty of time for that. Also none of those people have Biden's endorsement, which would be a major factor *if* it does ever gets to that. Yeah so there is no guarantee either would do better. The chances of it failing spectacularly are higher than it succeeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: So I watched a lot of Biden's rally and it was good. He had energy, his voice wasn't raspy, he didn't stumble, he was focused, and the crowd was engaged. I'm guessing a lot of the panicking Dems didn't watch it. The one thing they absolutely have to do after last night is get film of Biden looking and speaking better out into the media. They cant be running campaign ads with nothing but Joe's "I approved this message" at the end. We need to see Joe looking better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: So I watched a lot of Biden's rally and it was good. He had energy, his voice wasn't raspy, he didn't stumble, he was focused, and the crowd was engaged. I'm guessing a lot of the panicking Dems didn't watch it. He needs to like that all the time, not just some of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, gehringer_2 said: The one thing they absolutely have to do after last night is get film of Biden looking and speaking better out into the media. They cant be running campaign ads with nothing but Joe's "I approved this message" at the end. We need to see Joe looking better. He literally just did a rally today where he had energy, was focused, and spoke well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Tiger337 said: He needs to like that all the time, not just some of the time. He is like that most of the time. People are melting down over one debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 24 minutes ago, romad1 said: GDT rules apply i suppose Well, according to Trump last night, firing people makes someone a good President! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: He is like that most of the time. People are melting down over one debate. It's not just one debate. I get nervous every time I hear him talk now because he keeps stumbling over his words and sounds like he has a bad cold all the time. Often times, I can barely hear what he is saying. The debate last night was worse than usual though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Brian Kemp is white, he's a Governor, and he'd be replacing Warnock on Earth 2.0 if Warnock won as a candidate on a D ticket Or are we just gonna throw names out like this is fantasy baseball some more without thinking about the second order effects? Can't get rid of Baez because he'll be replacd by Kriedler and McKinstry. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: He literally just did a rally today where he had energy, was focused, and spoke well. But that rally isn't going national. That's my point. Those clips have to be the campaign commercials. Not the anti-Trump ones they've been running where you never see Biden. They don't need to persuade the people who are at all alive the facts about what Trump is, they need to get out there and show them what Joe still is - And they can't rely on the media to publicize 'energy joe' because it's not the narrative. They are going to have to build/buy that narrative themselves. Edited June 28 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edman85 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) The clip from his speech today has him clearing his throat often. I tend to buy into the claim that he was sick last night. Edited June 28 by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microline133 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 31 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's not just one debate. I get nervous every time I hear him talk now because he keeps stumbling over his words and sounds like he has a bad cold all the time. Often times, I can barely hear what he is saying. The debate last night was worse than usual though. That's just because you're old, Lee. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: It has an effect on me. I don't want him to be President if he can't communicate sufficiently. It's just that the alternative is so horrible that there is no other choice for me. All it takes is to alienate a few thousand swing state voters and the election is lost. Just remember, though, that we’re not voting just for the man at the top of the ticket. We’re also voting for everyone he brings into the job with him. Maybe that’s something the Democrats should spend some time highlighting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Can't get rid of Baez because he'll be replacd by Kriedler and McKinstry. 😃 Would you want a Democratic Senator from Georgia replaced with a Republican, Lee? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: It's a bright red area in a district that flipped blue to red in '22. Keep in mind Trump lite Glen Youngkin (who's at the rally and possibility for VP) won the state in '21. Outside of the DC suburbs, Va is a tossup Good thing the DC suburbs are there, then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 44 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Even Obama can tell you fools. Well, I didn't expect Obama to say that Biden sucks and that he is concerned. Obama NEVER had a night anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 How about we replace Biden with Manchin? Jamaal Bowman can be his running mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Tiger337 said: Well, I didn't expect Obama to say that Biden sucks and that he is concerned. Obama NEVER had a night anything like that. Actually Obama did. His first debate against Romney in 2012 was a disaster and Dems pissed themselves like they normally do and Obama got back at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 32 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Except those polls are pretty meaningless because none of those people have mounted any kind of national campaign to raise their recognition levels. August to November provides plenty of time for that. August to November doesn't provide a whole lot of time for fundraising.... and Kamala Harris would be the only candidate who can avail themselves of the $212 million that the Biden campaign is sitting on right now. People can joke about "replacing Baez with McKinstry" all they want as if these are excuses, but these are real issues that people just avoid when dealing with these hypotheticals that extend beyond Kamala Harris. It just is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Would you want a Democratic Senator from Georgia replaced with a Republican, Lee? lol I don't necesarily want him to replaced by anyone. I am just concerned by how he is coming across and I would bet that there are some high level Democrats who are concerned regardless of what they say publicly. I really doubt they'll make any change at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 It's still June, most folks don't really start paying attention until Labor Day. Who knows by then where Trump will be. (We do, but until the Republican High Council, formerly known as the Supreme Court makes it offical....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: August to November doesn't provide a whole lot of time for fundraising.... and Kamala Harris would be the only candidate who can avail themselves of the $212 million that the Biden campaign is sitting on right now. People can joke about "replacing Baez with McKinstry" all they want as if these are excuses, but these are real issues that people just avoid when dealing with these hypotheticals that extend beyond Kamala Harris. It just is what it is. I wished they addressed it a long time ago. I really don't know how America got itself in a situation where they are choosing between a 78 year old psychopath and a 82 year old grand pa on the decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Actually Obama did. His first debate against Romney in 2012 was a disaster and Dems pissed themselves like they normally do and Obama got back at it. He stumbled over every sentence and mumbled so softly, you had to strain to hear him? Hard to believe. Edited June 28 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: He stumbled over every sentence and mumbled so softly, you had to strain to hear him? Hard to believe. You should have watched the rally today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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