Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 I think this is actually great for the Democrats. Biden is too old. Trump is too old. We needed someone younger and now all the attention is away from Trump. It won't be breaking news every time he farts. I don't think it should automatically be Harris, though. Can you imagine a political convention that actually matters? How exciting is that? Not just a dog and pony show. Best VP candidate for Harris would be Mark Kelly because he does have military clout, but unlike Michigan and Colorado, Arizona has a special election to fill it. Colorado (Michael Bennett) and Michigan (Gary Peters) - the Governor appoints the replacement in the Senate to finish the whole term. Josh Shapiro - Trump supporters actually voted for him in PA Mark Kelly - Military Background, Has dealt with gun violence directly Roy Cooper - I don't that it swings NC away from Trump, as sophisticated as NC can be, they still do redneck things Andy Beshear - Winning in a deep red state twice? He wouldn't help win Kentucky, but he could sway a few other purple states Michael Bennett - Still relatively young. Polis can appoint a democrat to fill his seat Gary Peters - Military background. He's a bit bland, but I'm fine with that. Taylor Swift. It's all about celebrity, she'll be 35 in December. They could win, she could put on a great inaugaration performance - try the job for a few months and then step aside. They'd win in a landslide and Trump would have a stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Mark Kelly was in the military and a 2nd Amendment supporter who believes in sensible restrictions LIKE THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS and even more than half of gun owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Motor City Sonics said: I think this is actually great for the Democrats. Biden is too old. Trump is too old. We needed someone younger and now all the attention is away from Trump. It won't be breaking news every time he farts. I don't think it should automatically be Harris, though. Can you imagine a political convention that actually matters? How exciting is that? Not just a dog and pony show. Best VP candidate for Harris would be Mark Kelly because he does have military clout, but unlike Michigan and Colorado, Arizona has a special election to fill it. Colorado (Michael Bennett) and Michigan (Gary Peters) - the Governor appoints the replacement in the Senate to finish the whole term. Josh Shapiro - Trump supporters actually voted for him in PA Mark Kelly - Military Background, Has dealt with gun violence directly Roy Cooper - I don't that it swings NC away from Trump, as sophisticated as NC can be, they still do redneck things Andy Beshear - Winning in a deep red state twice? He wouldn't help win Kentucky, but he could sway a few other purple states Michael Bennett - Still relatively young. Polis can appoint a democrat to fill his seat Gary Peters - Military background. He's a bit bland, but I'm fine with that. Taylor Swift. It's all about celebrity, she'll be 35 in December. They could win, she could put on a great inaugaration performance - try the job for a few months and then step aside. They'd win in a landslide and Trump would have a stroke. What the hell is the point of the primary? Harris is the only one who has access to Biden's war chest. She's the only one who has access to the infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 I hope Biden resigns, just so the Trump campaign has to burn a lot of funds on 48 merch after throwing out the 47 merch. That's the only reason. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: What the hell is the point of the primary? Harris is the only one who has access to Biden's war chest. She's the only one who has access to the infrastructure. I think people need to open themselves to the idea that she has maybe learned a thing or two about a thing or two since 2020 as well. People are largely going off of 2020 when they judge her so negatively... In the appearances that I have seen during this campaign, she has shown a lot of growth. She had arguably been Biden's best asset as a surrogate Edited July 21 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 If you are going to pick a sitting senator, you'd better make damn sure that seat isn't going to flip as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 39 minutes ago, chasfh said: That would actually generate a legitimate attack: a vote for Michelle is a vote for a third term of Barack, like a sven-jolly. I could see a lot of swing voters and fecne-sitters getting turned off by that idea. That was why Hillary kept Bill sort of at a distance, though I'm not sure that in her case the idea that it would be Bill's 3rd term might not have helped her overall.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: At least there isn't going to be some gameshow style nomination process. Harris is the candidate. Only question now is who the VP nominee will be. Probably should wait until the big donors get their first look at the new polls next week before being sure about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 11 minutes ago, mtutiger said: To use another parlance from our time, they can "cope and seethe" That says so much. Why the **** would they care about pissing off Democratic voters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Motown Bombers said: What the hell is the point of the primary? Harris is the only one who has access to Biden's war chest. She's the only one who has access to the infrastructure. Whomever the Democratic nominee would be has that access too. Come on, do you think if it was Newsom or Kelly or Gretch running that they'd just pack it all up? No freaking way. Now - SHARPEN UP YOUR MESSAGE! The economy is doing great, Inflation has slowed to a crawl (and is a worldwide problem). Unemployment is low. Long-ignored infrastructure is being addressed (proving thousands of jobs and making things safer for everyone). ENERGY !!!!! This is a very patriotic thing that Biden is doing. It's gotta hurt the ego, but come on, being a President at 85? Give me a break. Whoops, wait a minute. BREAKING NEWS. Kamala Harris may have cheated in a 4th grade spelling bee. She must be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasTiger Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: Probably should wait until the big donors get their first look at the new polls next week before being sure about anything. I ****ing hate that sentence. True, but I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Edman85 said: If you are going to pick a sitting senator, you'd better make damn sure that seat isn't going to flip as a result. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 My mom doesn't think this country will vote for a woman. I have to remind her that more people voted for Hillary and she, despite being more than qualified, wasn't very likeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, oblong said: That says so much. Why the **** would they care about pissing off Democratic voters? It's likely about neutralizing any Jan 6th talk coming up the pike with swing voters. Giving a "what about" to counter with. The problem is that, if polls are to be believed, most people *wanted* this result. I've honest been surprised by their response to this news, it's the most disorganized they have been this entire campaign cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said: Whomever the Democratic nominee would be has that access too. Come on, do you think if it was Newsom or Kelly or Gretch running that they'd just pack it all up? No freaking way. Now - SHARPEN UP YOUR MESSAGE! The economy is doing great, Inflation has slowed to a crawl (and is a worldwide problem). Unemployment is low. Long-ignored infrastructure is being addressed (proving thousands of jobs and making things safer for everyone). ENERGY !!!!! This is a very patriotic thing that Biden is doing. It's gotta hurt the ego, but come on, being a President at 85? Give me a break. Whoops, wait a minute. BREAKING NEWS. Kamala Harris may have cheated in a 4th grade spelling bee. She must be replaced. No they don't. They legally don't have access to the Biden campaign funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, pfife said: What if Biden actually did resign the presidency... I can easily cook up in my mind how that helps the Dems. Let's take it two steps farther. Sotomayor resigns (she's had some health issues) Biden names Harris as her replacement.... Now what? It would probably be 1) a stretch to get Harris thru the Senate quickly enough. 2) Trumpublicans would probably also stonewall whomever Biden picks as Harris' replacement. It's going to be bad enough with Harris serving as President of the Senate on Jan 6, 2025 when it comes time to certify the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, mtutiger said: It's likely about neutralizing any Jan 6th talk coming up the pike with swing voters. Giving a "what about" to counter with. The problem is that, if polls are to be believed, most people *wanted* this result. I've honest been surprised by their response to this news, it's the most disorganized they have been this entire campaign cycle Harris was on the ticket so we did vote for Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, gehringer_2 said: Yup. Yeah, that's the problem with Kelly. I think he's the perfect pick, but you also have to weigh what is more risky, letting Trump get in there again or having a 49-51 Senate? That answer is clear. The damage he could do is so much more toxic than a Senate that won't cooperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 The one other thing for Harris is that she has to work on being more the 'Happy Warrior.' Americans don't like to vote for dour people and Kamala can tend in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Motor City Sonics said: Yeah, that's the problem with Kelly. I think he's the perfect pick, but you also have to weigh what is more risky, letting Trump get in there again or having a 49-51 Senate? That answer is clear. The damage he could do is so much more toxic than a Senate that won't cooperate. It's a dilemma that comes down to what they think the trajectory of the state goes in longer term. I'd probably take that gamble, but I can see where one of the other options seems less bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The one other thing for Harris is that she has to work on being more the 'Happy Warrior.' Americans don't like to vote for dour people and Kamala can tend in that direction. I think she has been better at that as a surrogate for Biden in this cycle fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: It's a dilemma that comes down to what they think the trajectory of the state goes in longer term. I'd probably take that gamble, but I can see where one of the other options seems less bad There is no scenario worse than Trump winning again. That's rock bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, mtutiger said: I think she has been better at that as a surrogate for Biden in this cycle fwiw I think the problem with that is that when a man does it he's serious, when a woman does it she's dour. Sometimes you need to be frank. I don't need a ****ing carnival barker - I need an administrator and problem solver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Obama hasn't endorsed Harris yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 A debate between a former prosecutor and a current felon would be Must See TV. I hope there's enough popcorn! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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