romad1 Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 11:18 PM, 1984Echoes said: Since TRUMP SOLD that Farm to the Taliban... You are correct. Expand I'll be honest. I think the trade if it had to be made for a more East Asia/Europe centered defense with our Navy and less heavy forces watching the center makes more sense. The idea is to protect what is important. Afghanistan was the lesson in how amazing we are at projecting force anywhere. The big boy war is what we need to prevent now. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 11:09 PM, Motor City Sonics said: We have nuts on our side too Expand Who are the nuts you're referring to? Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 11:27 PM, romad1 said: I'll be honest. I think the trade if it had to be made for a more East Asia/Europe centered defense with our Navy and less heavy forces watching the center makes more sense. The idea is to protect what is important. Afghanistan was the lesson in how amazing we are at projecting force anywhere. The big boy war is what we need to prevent now. Expand 100% on board with this. But I'm a bit tired of the Biden Bashing under TRUMP's Taliban deal. The China-Russia-Iran Anti-Democracy Tripartite Threat is what is currently overriding everything else in International Importance. "Keep your eye on the prize". Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 11:18 PM, 1984Echoes said: Since TRUMP SOLD that Farm to the Taliban... You are correct. Expand Biden got soldiers and many friendlies killed on the botched pull out. He will be remembered for this by the military community. Edited July 23, 2024 by Tigeraholic1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 11:27 PM, romad1 said: I'll be honest. I think the trade if it had to be made for a more East Asia/Europe centered defense with our Navy and less heavy forces watching the center makes more sense. The idea is to protect what is important. Afghanistan was the lesson in how amazing we are at projecting force anywhere. The big boy war is what we need to prevent now. Expand Sometimes you just can't keep pushing uphill against the realities of the geography. If Afghanistan were not landlocked, and you had a capital either on or with a defensible route to the sea, maybe you could have pacified and protected at least one major population center and let your nation building percolate outward - assuming you could even do that successfully, But Kabul had hostiles over the horizon in almost every direction. With no support for a western agenda anywhere in the hinterlands, and the fractured ethnic situation, Kabul was an ill-omened place to try and plant a western flag. Edited July 23, 2024 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 (edited) On 7/23/2024 at 12:28 AM, gehringer_2 said: Sometimes you just can't keep pushing uphill against the realities of the geography. If Afghanistan were not landlocked, and you had a capital either on or with a defensible route to the sea, maybe you could have pacified and protected at least one major population center and let your nation building percolate outward - assuming you could even do that successfully, But Kabul had hostiles over the horizon in almost every direction. With no support for a western agenda anywhere in the hinterlands, and the fractured ethnic situation, Kabul was an ill-omened place to try and plant a western flag. Expand We learned nothing from the Russian/Afghan war and had the exact same outcome. Except we left billions and billions of military equipment behind. Edited July 23, 2024 by Tigeraholic1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 12:24 AM, Tigeraholic1 said: Biden got soldiers and many friendlies killed on the botched pull out. He will be remembered for this by the military community. Expand Trump's deal allowed 5,000 Taliban terrorists out of prison. The intelligence community told Biden and his team that Afghan National forces could hold off the Taliban for at least another 18 mths - 2 years. Biden was ready to start pulling troops out in February. His generals said: "We're not ready, please push this back at least 6 months." He did that. Based on their request and the intelligence community's advice. SURPRISE!!! The Taliban wiped out the Afghani National forces in 3 months. But yeah... Biden got soldiers and friendlies killed. It's all his fault. In other words, you don't have a clue. Are you MAGA? I'm just asking based on what you're showing us here... I won't judge... just curious. Quote
romad1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 12:46 AM, mtutiger said: Wat Expand If JD Vance called it "soda" he sold off all his Ohio credibility right there. Quote
romad1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Keep running out "cat lady" you idiots. Particularly the "Dragon of Budapest" Quote
Motown Bombers Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 I have a cat. He's obese, orange, and self absorbed just like Trump. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 12:42 AM, 1984Echoes said: Trump's deal allowed 5,000 Taliban terrorists out of prison. The intelligence community told Biden and his team that Afghan National forces could hold off the Taliban for at least another 18 mths - 2 years. Biden was ready to start pulling troops out in February. His generals said: "We're not ready, please push this back at least 6 months." He did that. Based on their request and the intelligence community's advice. SURPRISE!!! The Taliban wiped out the Afghani National forces in 3 months. But yeah... Biden got soldiers and friendlies killed. It's all his fault. In other words, you don't have a clue. Are you MAGA? I'm just asking based on what you're showing us here... I won't judge... just curious. Expand Negative I am not MAGA. We are the strongest military in the world and were muscled out by a Militia. We could have found a way to hold onto our fortified bases and evacuated the hundreds of interpreters and other personal who laid their life along with their families lives on the line. The gravity of that betrayal is lost in the U.S. They were all slaughtered, women and children. That was a choice the administration made on their own. 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 12:48 AM, Motown Bombers said: Expand Since when are Presidential candidates referred to by their first name in chryons? Quote
pfife Posted July 23, 2024 Author Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:23 AM, Tigeraholic1 said: Negative I am not MAGA. We are the strongest military in the world and were muscled out by a Militia. We could have found a way to hold onto our fortified bases and evacuated the hundreds of interpreters and other personal who laid their life along with their families lives on the line. The gravity of that betrayal is lost in the U.S. They were all slaughtered, women and children. That was a choice the administration made on their own. Expand FYI Joe Biden was a senator so you don't get to trash him. That's bullying Quote
romad1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:24 AM, Edman85 said: Since when are Presidential candidates referred to by their first name in chryons? Expand they didn't call her Kameltoe...that's a start. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:30 AM, pfife said: FYI Joe Biden was a senator so you don't get to trash him. That's bullying Expand You smoking the good good tonight Cheefer? We pulled out the summer of 2021, lol. Trump still pulling the strings then? Remember, I am the dumb neck bearder…. Quote
pfife Posted July 23, 2024 Author Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:41 AM, Tigeraholic1 said: You smoking the good good tonight Cheefer? We pulled out the summer of 2021, lol. Trump still pulling the strings then? Remember, I am the dumb neck bearder…. Expand As I said, he was a Senator. Are you arguing he wasn't a Senator? Why are you bullying me about my correctness? Quote
pfife Posted July 23, 2024 Author Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:44 AM, VegasTiger said: Woooooooshhhh Expand LOL IKR Quote
pfife Posted July 23, 2024 Author Posted July 23, 2024 I have 13 DMs with people saying they'd post here more if you weren't such a bully to posters because Biden was a senator Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 1:48 AM, pfife said: I have 13 DMs with people saying they'd post here more if you weren't such a bully to posters because Biden was a senator Expand lol history never happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan#:~:text=The Biden administration's final,National Security Forces (ANSF). Quote
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