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Schools that get to select their students do well.    one reason public schools always score worse than private is because they have to take every student.  Many students have disabilities acro

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He has immunity though so it’s all good. 

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Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering

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  On 7/23/2024 at 4:23 PM, 1776 said:

I fully believe this resignation was an orchestrated effort by insiders in the party. They made the decision for him. On his own, he wasn’t going to step down. The money was drying up and so was the vocal support for him. It got to the point where the decision had been made for him. 
 

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Do you mean he was literally forced, or they made the stay option so bad that the correct choice was clear?  Or something else?

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  On 7/23/2024 at 4:38 PM, pfife said:

Do you mean he was literally forced, or they made the stay option so bad that the correct choice was clear?  Or something else?

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Thank you for asking? I believe they “made the stay option so bad” that he didn’t really have any viable options left. I’m sure the inside circle was urging him  to leave for the sake of the November election. 

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  On 7/23/2024 at 4:25 PM, CMRivdogs said:

Was just reading up on Walz's resume. Very impressive, 24 years National Guard, retired with the rank of Sargent Major. Was the highest ranking enlisted soldier to serve in Congress. Basically considered a moderate/liberal. Voted against TARP in Congress. He was in favor of gun rights but has expressed support for gun regulation. As governor he signed a law establishing background checks and red flag regulations. 
High ratings from Planned Parenthood and LGBT groups. Strong women's issues and education.

Im just not sure if he would add much to the ticket as far as Electorial Votes.

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I think Walz is an underrated. Minnesota is probably blue but he probably has appeal in Wisconsin and Michigan. I'm surprised Bashear wasn't on the list. Good with rural white voters and suburban voters. He did well in Appalachia which could play well in Pennsylvania and in the south in Georgia and North Carolina. 

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  On 7/23/2024 at 4:47 PM, 1776 said:

Every third cup go decaf. That works for me …. sometimes.

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I've tried half caf, may need to go back to that. Trying to follow my pulmonary/cardio rehab nurses suggestions. No caffeine before exercising 
 

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  On 7/23/2024 at 4:46 PM, 1776 said:

Thank you for asking? I believe they “made the stay option so bad” that he didn’t really have any viable options left. I’m sure the inside circle was urging him  to leave for the sake of the November election. 

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I think this happened to an extent too.

I think when they started going public, it became untenable, and they chose to do that and I think it was purposeful, my understanding is it was after many private attempts.

I also think some donors may have consciously decided not to donate to force him out, but I think others probably just thought he was doomed and it was a waste of money.   

In the end, if he remained and was nominated, I expected to see a commercial 2 minutes after his acceptance speech listing off all of the Democrats in his party that said he wasn't fit to be president.   I don't know how he can recover from that.

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or if you want to entertain the opposite conspiratorial thought, Biden and Harris cooked this up (well probably excluding the horrible debate performance) as the only way for Biden not to run without being a lame duck for two years and opening the party to a primary that could have been bruising and left the eventual nominee too damaged to win in November. This way Biden has an effective office for 3 1/2 full years, plus the succession field was frozen through the primaries, which creates the clear path for Harris, who is being duly annointed - all according to plan.......

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or if you want to entertain the opposite conspiratorial thought, Biden and Harris cooked this up (well probably excluding the horrible debate performance) as the only way for Biden not to run without opening the party to a primary that could have been bruising and left the eventual nominee too damaged to win in November. This way the field was frozen through the primaries, which creates the clear path for Harris, who is being duly annointed - all according to plan.......

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They also made sure Biden vehemently denied leaving the race so Trump would think he isn't going anywhere and attack him at the convention only for Biden to pull the rug out from under him. 

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I would be open to agreeing with a notion that when Biden decided to bounce, a handoff was coordinated with Harris.

I'm ok w/ believing the notion that Biden decided that on Saturday, not way before then.   That would be awesome if they rope-a-dope'd trump like that though.

G2 do you think it's conspiratorial to think the Democrats that wanted him out intentionally made the "stay in the race" option untenable?

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Somebody from the Bullwerk posted video from a Biden interview during the 2020 campaign and compared it to the ABC interview. The difference as startling. The mind is probably still there, the rest of the body's not. 
 

It reminded me of a neighbor several years ago. Smart, vital man in his 70s. I remember a conversation we had when he was in his early 80s, every couple of minutes he asked me the same question. The guy passed a year or so later

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Somebody from the Bullwerk posted video from a Biden interview during the 2020 campaign and compared it to the ABC interview. The difference as startling. The mind is probably still there, the rest of the body's not. 
 

It reminded me of a neighbor several years ago. Smart, vital man in his 70s. I remember a conversation we had when he was in his early 80s, every couple of minutes he asked me the same question. The guy passed a year or so later

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And Trump looks worse because he refuses to step aside even if defeated in an election. 

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One thing I thought of was that Beau Biden was running for governor of Delaware for 2016 when he dropped out due to his health and eventually passing. I wonder what if he didn't die and won governor. Would he have been a presidential candidate in 2020? 

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