pfife Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 16 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Any Democrat can post a challenge at any time they like. She's not the official nominee yet. Who is BLM anyway? Is there any true organization behind it? Black Lives are gonna matter a whole lot more under a President Harris than whatever the Republicans throw out there. I was intrigued by your question too. It was conspicuous that no actual person from the organization was named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 It was probably Shaun King 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 47 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: BLM has become a corrupted organization that got co-opted by white leftists. BLM was corrupt from the outset. And yes, it has been infiltrated by extreme leftists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 22 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Who is BLM anyway? Is there any true organization behind it? Black Lives are gonna matter a whole lot more under a President Harris than whatever the Republicans throw out there. BLM is, and has been, a political organization. To what degree there is any degree of organization behind it today, I don’t know. Literal Black lives didn’t matter to the political organization, Black Lives Matter. BLM, the political entity, tapped into the frustrations and wrongs experienced by Black Americans to enrich the organization’s leadership through funding from its sympathizers, as has well been documented. I trust you are up to speed on what this corrupt organization really was about. Unfortunately, BLM accomplished little or nothing in real terms for Black Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 ....... so why do we care what a bunch of grifters think about the Democratic nomination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, pfife said: ....... so why do we care what a bunch of grifters think about the Democratic nomination? You don’t have to care what a bunch of grifters think about the Democratic nomination. I thought it comical that BLM suddenly supported some procedural process related to governing. Again, I’m sure they have an agenda that is counter to their public charade. Edited July 24 by 1776 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 32 minutes ago, 1776 said: BLM is, and has been, a political organization. To what degree there is any degree of organization behind it today, I don’t know. Literal Black lives didn’t matter to the political organization, Black Lives Matter. BLM, the political entity, tapped into the frustrations and wrongs experienced by Black Americans to enrich the organization’s leadership through funding from its sympathizers, as has well been documented. I trust you are up to speed on what this corrupt organization really was about. Unfortunately, BLM accomplished little or nothing in real terms for Black Americans. But it seems to me that there are several versions of BLM run by several different people with differing agendas. There is no name representing it and until it gets organized that way, can it be taken all that seriously? I think this was brought up in the TV series "Newsroom" when Jeff Daniels challenged a 99%'er by saying You have no face, you have no message. You need to congeal your movement into one message with one spokesperson and a few surrogates - or else you're all just yelling into the wind. That's BLM. There are realistic and pragmatic wings and there are radical wings. And the radical wing will never be happy with anything anyone ever does. I understand why they exist, but the execution is a mess. They need their MLK. They needs someone that speaks for them with one unifying message and that doesn't seem to be happening. So what is BLM? It's an acronym with a bunch of people yelling into the wind. If they are not happy, they can run their own candidate. See, the problem wasn't the job Biden has done. He's done an excellent job. Has he botched a few things? Yes, he's human, but overall he's done a very good job and that work needs to continue, but seeing his debate performance and his slowing physical movements in recent months, it was clouding the message. Now the legacy can continue with someone more vibrant and inspiring for a wide swath of younger voters. He simply is too old for a second term. It's just the truth. That job ages people and he was older to begin with - so passing the torch to the VP, which is a little unusual, makes perfect sense. It's like a logo re-branding, with the product being the same - you just needed to modernize. They have and it has galvanized the movement and completely cut the legs out from under the singular Republican strategy of "HE'S OLD!". Actually, it's flipped it on it's head. Both Trump and Biden are too old but now only Trump has to deal with that. The new Republican strategy of the whole DEI thing is only working with the people that are already on board. Let them continue on that path. Edited July 24 by Motor City Sonics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Why do they keep putting it in writing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, 1776 said: That misses the point BLM is making. The DELEGATES elect their candidate, NOT the primary voters. Here is one Democratic Party example, there are LOTS of others: What was the outcome of the Democratic convention in 1912? Democratic nominee House Majority Leader Oscar Underwood had strong support from the Deep South but little appeal outside the region. At the convention, Wilson eventually secured the nomination over Clark after forty back-and-forth ballots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I mean I'm worried about Schedule F and everyone should be but...this is wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Kamela's commercials are playing on my Youtube all day. She's got the right message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: The DELEGATES elect their candidate, NOT the primary voters. Here is one Democratic Party example, there are LOTS of others: What was the outcome of the Democratic convention in 1912? Democratic nominee House Majority Leader Oscar Underwood had strong support from the Deep South but little appeal outside the region. At the convention, Wilson eventually secured the nomination over Clark after forty back-and-forth ballots. Have you ever looked at the 1968 Democratic Primary results? Robert Kennedy Sr. (the sane RFK) didn't even enter the race until March 16th. Eugene McCarthy was leading. He had the most votes and the most delegates overall Then Kennedy got the momentum. Humphrey entered late. Going into the conventioin McCarthy 38% Kennedy 30% LBJ 5% Humphrey 2% And conventional wisdom would lead you to believe that at least 2/3rds of Kennedy's votes would have gone to McCarthy, probably more, so it wasn't even close, the Democratic voters wanted McCarthy, the power brokers thought he was too liberal. Look, Kennedy and McCarthy appealed to the same type of voter, but Kennedy jumped in because he didn't think McCarthy had the charisma to go all the way. I think Bobby would have trounced Nixon. But once he and MLK died and the Democrats went to the cynical old establishment, their voters felt abandoned, so they abandoned the party in return. They nominated Humphrey (and got their asses kicked). They would have lost with McCarthy too, but maybe not as much. I'm just saying that you don't need to have Primaries to pick your nominee. Can't think of a more uninspiring choice than Hubert Humphrey. Talk about dry white toast. Edited July 24 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I wonder if some think that Joe is going to resign the Presidency tonight. I get why he'd want to maybe help Kamala by giving her the chance to have that title going in, but the biggest risk to that is MAGA Mike would be the next one up and we can't risk that. Joe can stay in DC and get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Have you ever looked at the 1968 Democratic Primary results? Robert Kennedy Sr. (the sane RFK) didn't even enter the race until March 16th. Eugene McCarthy was leading. He had the most votes and the most delegates overall Then Kennedy got the momentum. Humphrey entered late. Going into the conventioin McCarthy 38% Kennedy 30% LBJ 5% Humphrey 2% They nominated Humphrey (and got their asses kicked). They would have lost with McCarthy too, but maybe not as much. I'm just saying that you don't need to have Primaries to pick your nominee. Can't think of a more uninspiring choice than Hubert Humphrey. Talk about dry white toast. Exactly my point. Snap Primary? No such thing... give me a break. BLM whining to try and get more pull at the DNC with this flop of an idea. Sorry, but not going to happen. Oh... and the delegates, and pretty much everyone, have already coalesced behind Kamala. That's all she wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Just now, Motor City Sonics said: I wonder if some think that Joe is going to resign the Presidency tonight. I get why he'd want to maybe help Kamala by giving her the chance to have that title going in, but the biggest risk to that is MAGA Mike would be the next one up and we can't risk that. Joe can stay in DC and get the job done. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Why do they keep putting it in writing? The Lincoln Project folks are going to have a Field Day with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 Apparently JD has an affinity for couches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, pfife said: Apparently JD has an affinity for couches As one does. JD Vance mania is sweeping the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Guessing those plastic couch covers will be making a comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I wonder if some think that Joe is going to resign the Presidency tonight. I get why he'd want to maybe help Kamala by giving her the chance to have that title going in, but the biggest risk to that is MAGA Mike would be the next one up and we can't risk that. Joe can stay in DC and get the job done. No chance, and we don’t want that, since it will motivate people more to wanna throw her out of office. And we want Biden to make it at least to Election Day. Setting aside the sheer human awfulness of it, if Biden died before the election, I wonder whether Kamala would get a sympathy bump. I think it helped LBJ, although obviously different circumstances. Can barely imagine how crass the Republicans would be in response. Edited July 24 by chasfh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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