2024 Presidential Election thread

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

You've made a pretty bold leap from cause to effect there par'dner. 

It's serious question though because if they are just hoping for retweets or angling for inside the beltway recognition to burnish their credentials for their next gigs, that's not as useful as actually buying blocks of air time on KCWY, and while this is purely a guess, since I have no idea, I would doubt that any official Democratic Party funding sources are too big on directly funding Lincoln Project even if they like the product. So the question is the work really being effectively exploited or just producing feel good vibes in the choir?

Never underestimate the value of well done propaganda.  

[romad1]

The most disingenuous poll question that the credulous media asks is the right track wrong track question.   Of course the country is on the wrong track because large swaths of it are in the thrall of anti-constitutional and anti-democratic forces.   

I wish the sitting president could do something about that but he's not responsible for the other side being idiotic. 

 

Edited September 23 by romad1

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The most disingenuous poll question that the credulous media asks is the right track wrong track question

agree. The question has no clear political implication in the current environment.

However, it's a 'traditional' question, so pollsters will continue to ask it because they need answers to the same question over time for model tuning.

Edited September 23 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

agree. 

This is the purview of the big 3 network nightly news shows (although to be fair I'm thinking NBC and ABC specifically).  They always seem to be trying to bothsides things to the extent that you'd think corporate was monitoring the broadcast with pain buzzers hooked to the on-air talent's nethers.   

[romad1]

Fascinating 

I think i agree with the premise.   I can see the degree to which locals are annoyed.  I've seen my dad try to navigate the hostility to Mexican business among his West-Michigan rotary club among the entrenched white business owners.  He's always trying to increase outreach to the non-English speaking community and crickets from the rest of the local club.   

[oblong]

are the locals annoyed?  Or just the outsiders?

 

[romad1]

This feels true

 

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, oblong said:

are the locals annoyed?  Or just the outsiders?

 

Doesn't have to be either/or. You are going to find a subset of racist - or at least culturally chauvinistic, people everywhere who don't want anything to change.  If outsiders can leverage that discontent, regardless of whether it's pervasive or not, to sell a national narrative, they will.

[romad1]

15 minutes ago, oblong said:

are the locals annoyed?  Or just the outsiders?

 

From what i see, the white entrenched business owners are stupidly fighting the business opportunities.  

[romad1]

Just now, romad1 said:

From what i see, the white entrenched business owners are stupidly fighting the business opportunities.  

The local sheriff is trying to rival the philadelphia police department of the 1970s by acquiring armored fighting vehicles and other extravagant equipment while the local high school suffers for resources. 

[romad1]

Just now, romad1 said:

The local sheriff is trying to rival the philadelphia police department of the 1970s by acquiring armored fighting vehicles and other extravagant equipment while the local high school suffers for resources. 

And my dad’s business partner got driven out of local GOP politics by questioning the militarization of the local gendarmerie.  

[romad1]

listening to people on various pol podcasts lately, a lot of discussion that the Dems didn't drop that Mark Robinson oppo.  That was the GOP trying to force him to quit.  They did that because they likely knew about stuff that was worse that was coming.  I dunno:  once Hamburg is burned to the ground, do you need to keep "dehousing" the rubble? 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[romad1]

39 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

what the hell!?

[romad1]

43 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

ok, the RGA is not the same as the RNC.   I totally get that the RGA would not continue to support that weirdo.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Much of the GOP does not want him to really win.   Only the ones who aren't running are supporting him out of fear.    Most of the established GOP wants him gone.    Including folks like Lindsey Graham.     They want to move on, but guess what, they're getting Trump again in 2028 or another crazy MAGA.   This IS the Republican Party now.    The Lunatic Fringe is now the Lunatic Center of the party. 

[romad1]

6 hours ago, romad1 said:

Never underestimate the value of well done propaganda.  

 

[CMRivdogs]

He's buying votes, isn't that illegal. Not that it matters to him

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[pfife]

its over

[Hongbit]

Just when I thought that I couldn’t hate the Chicago Bears more.

 

[mtutiger]

Wow... What a pitch to women voters there 

[Sports_Freak]

He's just totally breaking the law out in the open, knowing nobody will do a thing about it. Video in the link;

 

[Kacie]

On 9/22/2024 at 1:44 PM, Tiger337 said:

Were they really normal, rational people or did they just hide their hate and bigotry because it was considered taboo (whereas now they are being told it's OK)?  

I don't know if it's that simple. For some, absolutely.  But I think it's more complicated than that. I know that most of them don't *think* they are racist.  It will also end any conversation if that's where it starts.  Fear coupled with the perception that someone else is getting something for *free* when they worked hard is something that resonates with many. Yesterday's welfare Moms and gays are today's illegals and transsexuals.  When you can pick and choose the news that will reinforce your fears and perceived economic unfairness, it only adds fuel to the fire.