2024 Presidential Election thread

[chasfh]

  On 10/26/2024 at 12:26 AM, Motown Bombers said:

 

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My favorite Kamala rally moment was when the crowd were waiting for her to arrive and the MC did that call-and-response with them: “Show me what democracy looks like!” “This is what democracy looks like!” I get chills simply remembering it.

[Motown Bombers]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:05 AM, chasfh said:

Hitler used to do that **** all the time. Builds a tension that gets released in a wave of euphoria. Or at least it did for Hitler.

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So this is edging for MAGA?

[chasfh]

  On 10/26/2024 at 12:38 AM, Motown Bombers said:

 

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Good. I hope they hate-vote for Kamala just to spite him.

[Tiger337]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:05 AM, chasfh said:

Hitler used to do that **** all the time. Builds a tension that gets released in a wave of euphoria. Or at least it did for Hitler.

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Expecting people to wait patiently for hours is one thing that will never work in 21st Century America!

[1776]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:02 AM, chasfh said:

What is this, 1955?

Yes, of course grabbing a person’s genitalia in a nonconsensual manner is a crime, ranging anywhere from battery to criminal sexual assault, according to the state.

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You guys….

I was addressing his vocabulary, not any of his actions, alleged or not. For him to say he likes to do XYZ to whom ever is not a crime. 

[Tiger337]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:13 AM, 1776 said:

You guys….

I was addressing his vocabulary, not any of his actions, alleged or not. For him to say he likes to do XYZ to whom ever is not a crime. 

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If he is telling the truth, then he is describing a crime.  

[chasfh]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:13 AM, 1776 said:

You guys….

I was addressing his vocabulary, not any of his actions, alleged or not. For him to say he likes to do XYZ to whom ever is not a crime. 

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I went back and re-read it, and while it could technically go either way, it reads as more likely you were referring to the act, not his making the statement, even if you didn’t mean it that way in your head. You can see how looks that way, right?

[1776]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:14 AM, Tiger337 said:

If he is telling the truth, then he is describing a crime.  

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Describing a crime…or committing a crime? If I’m hanging out with friends at a bar and I say, I’d like to XYZ (fill in the details?) I haven’t committed a crime simply by describing an act or action I haven’t taken. That Trump said these things is despicable but it is not a crime.

 

[Netnerd]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:25 AM, 1776 said:

Describing a crime…or committing a crime? If I’m hanging out with friends at a bar and I say, I’d like to XYZ (fill in the details?) I haven’t committed a crime simply by describing an act or action I haven’t taken. That Trump said these things is despicable but it is not a crime.

 

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Except that Donald didn’t say he’d like to. He said they “let him.” He bragged about it. Do you honestly think all this is nothing more that bluster and hearsay?

[mtutiger]

IYKYK

[mtutiger]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:25 AM, 1776 said:

If I’m hanging out with friends at a bar and I say, I’d like to XYZ (fill in the details?) I haven’t committed a crime simply by describing an act or action I haven’t taken. 

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Forget about the law or whether there is a provable crime for a second - do you give him the benefit of the doubt in that you don't think what he said happened... happened? 

[chasfh]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:39 AM, Netnerd said:

Except that Donald didn’t say he’d like to. He said they “let him.” He bragged about it. Do you honestly think all this is nothing more that bluster and hearsay?

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Well, to be fair, to 1776’s point, so far, there is nothing more than a video account with no corroborating evidence.

In any event, there has already been a court judgment against him in a sexual assault case, so even as an accusation, it’s not a good look for him, because it’s so god damned likely.

[mtutiger]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:39 AM, Netnerd said:

Except that Donald didn’t say he’d like to. He said they “let him.” He bragged about it. Do you honestly think all this is nothing more that bluster and hearsay?

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I know there isn't a video of the guy engaged in what he was vividly describing on the bus and will likely never be one.... but the fact that he was vividly describing it (in detail) on the bus in the first place tells me suggests to me that it happened.

I'm not a lawyer, but as a political matter, it's absolutely fair game for people to hold him to account for it and make their judgment on him based on the matter

Edited October 26, 2024 by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

Trump was found liable by a jury for sexual assault. What are we even doing here?

[CMRivdogs]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:39 AM, mtutiger said:

IYKYK

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Any other candidate did this in a regular basis it would be all over the corporate press. With Daddy it's "we've got to down play his lateness, crass and divisive comments, lies, etc because if we piss him off he may eat into out massive tax cuts" 

[Edman85]

Eh, just use the same standard 1776 is using for Trump on his criticisms of Harris.

[1776]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:43 AM, mtutiger said:

Forget about the law or whether there is a provable crime for a second - do you give him the benefit of the doubt in that you don't think what he said happened... happened? 

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If you’re speaking of the most recent allegation that occurred in 1993, I find the timing of the disclosure suspicious. 

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[smr-nj]

  On 10/25/2024 at 10:55 PM, Kacie said:

I will assume that means if a strange man approached your wife, daughter or mother and grabbed her pussy and forcibly kissed her against her will, you would shrug that off as stupid and vulgar and be totally cool with it?  Am I understanding that correctly?

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I believe he thinks if it’s not witnessed or corroborated, then we must assume it never happened.  🙂  

…  because, you know, proof. **
 

(** every woman knows what this feels like.  Our word means nothing)

[Dan Gilmore]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:15 AM, smr-nj said:

I believe he thinks if it’s not witnessed or corroborated, then we must assume it never happened.  🙂  

…  because, you know, proof.

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Yeah, it’s a pathetic lack of values.

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[1776]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:15 AM, smr-nj said:

I believe he thinks if it’s not witnessed or corroborated, then we must assume it never happened.  🙂  

…  because, you know, proof.

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The burden of proof is required to find a person guilty, is it not?

 

[1776]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:18 AM, Dan Gilmore said:

Yeah, it’s a pathetic lack of values.

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So you believe unproven allegations are sufficient enough for a jury to find a defendant guilty? 
It has nothing to do with values. 

[romad1]

Watching the rally in Houston.  Pretty electric.

[smr-nj]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:20 AM, 1776 said:

The burden of proof is required to find a person guilty, is it not?

 

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So then, since most sexual assaults, rape, etc., are not done with any witnesses, if they don’t leave any DNA residue behind there can never be a guilty verdict?
because an eyewitness, meaning the victim themselves, can positively ID the person, this can never meet the burden of proof?

do you honestly believe that?

[Dan Gilmore]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:23 AM, 1776 said:

So you believe unproven allegations are sufficient enough for a jury to find a defendant guilty? 
It has nothing to do with values. 

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Defending a known sexual assaultist, one who has bragged about doing so, yeah, that is about values. You are giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that deserves none. This is a forum, not a court of law, so whether it is ever proven isn’t the issue. It’s who you choose to defend and excuse.