2024 Presidential Election thread

[mtutiger]

44 minutes ago, oblong said:

I quit pop about 10 years ago. I first gave up coke then diet.  I lost more weight when I quit diet. Was totally addicted. I would get a 20 ounce after lunch and would feel the sensation immediately.  More so than any booze or cigarette ever did.  
 

the only time now I ever have it would be in a mixed drink at a wedding or whatever. 

I gave up all soda at Lent in 2017 and haven't looked back... Diet Pepsi was my drug of choice.

Overall has been very good for my health

[mtutiger]

36 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Republicans always bitch about how Democrats are going to take away beef or whatever. RFK Jr. is literally about to wage war on Diet Coke and they're alright with it apparently. I remember when they freaked out over Michelle Obama's attempts to make school lunches healthier. That was communist or something. 

Also advocates the use of beef tallow for fries...

Health benefits aside, with as many fast food restaurants as we have in the United States, could you imagine what that would do to prices?

For an administration that is coming to power largely off of backlash to recent inflation, they sure seem to embrace or signal policy shifts that would just reignite it.

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

7 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I have been searching for any story related to it. I see nothing but white people telling me black people are probably offended somewhere.

When the dust settles on this election, even after focusing on the share improvements across the board (as you have done repeatedly), you're probably looking at Donald Trump's opponent getting somewhere between 88-90% share of the African American vote. In that context, it would be surprising if the vast majority of the community didn't notice a lack of representation within his cabinet.

I don't need to look for a story to tell me that... The vote share tells the story about what the black community largely thinks about Donald Trump.

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[pfife]

Bones jones did the trump dance though so checkmate

[CMRivdogs]

I found this breakdown in Virginia interesting. Considering 3 years ago the Republican candidate for Governor basically won in a landslide. (Given that McAuliffe was not a great candidate). 
 

What is interesting is the closeness of the races (Presidential and House of Delegates) in what have been traditional red districts.

https://cardinalnews.org/2024/11/20/harris-carried-7-house-of-delegates-districts-now-represented-by-republicans/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Water advocate champions change for a Henry County neighborhood long dependent on wells&utm_campaign=Wednesday%2C Nov 20%2C 2024

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Even in a weak year for Democrats, Kamala Harris carried 58 of Virginia’s House of Delegates districts, according to computations by the Blacksburg-based State Navigate site that tracks state legislative races across the country.

Democrats currently hold 51 seats in the House, with Republicans claiming 49.

The fact that the Democratic presidential candidate carried seven districts now held by Republicans raises the question of whether Democrats are positioned to increase their majority in the House in the 2025 elections.

Take a look at the 7 Republican districts that Harris won. 
 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

When the dust settles on this election, even after focusing on the share improvements across the board (as you have done repeatedly), you're probably looking at Donald Trump's opponent getting somewhere between 88-90% share of the African American vote. In that context, it would be surprising if the vast majority of the community didn't notice a lack of representation within his cabinet.

I don't need to look for a story to tell me that... The vote share tells the story about what the black community largely thinks about Donald Trump.

Thanks again for telling me how African Americans feel. 

[mtutiger]

Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

Thanks again for telling me how African Americans feel. 

The only thing I told you to do was to look at the scoreboard (ie. somewhere between 88-12 and 90-10)

[mtutiger]

46 minutes ago, pfife said:

Bones jones did the trump dance though so checkmate

The celebrity endorsements are part of the story, but the media has largely done a piss poor job in framing what happened with various groups in this election.

Like, it isn't debatable that Trump will end up doing better than most GOP candidates in our lifetimes with black voters (going from winning 7% to somewhere between 10-12%), which matters a lot in terms of electoral politics.

But somewhere along the way, this morphed into "Trump is wildly popular with black voters." Which seems to have lose sight of the fact that a candidate only winning 12% of a group is still, by any definition, getting rinsed.

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[oblong]

and given Trump's celebrity and name recognition before he became a politician it wil remain to be seen whether any movement toward him from these groups is transferrable to other GOP nominees.  Traditional rules don't apply when he's involved.  Is it him or is it the GOP?

I'm skeptical of analysis and monday morning QB before the new term even begins.  We don't now what the dems need to do yet.  Too early for that. 

 

 

[CMRivdogs]

11 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Water is your friend!   Water is life!

( not the bottled stuff…. you need all those chemicals in your tapwater. Lol. Better living through chemistry.) 😁

all kidding aside, get used to drinking water. It’s so much better for you than any of those other drinks.

I’ve pretty much cut out soft drinks, especially because of the interactions between the sodas and drug I take for my lungs (Ofev). I’ll do an occasional Ginger Ale but that’s about it.

But then I’ve also cut back on wine, except for an occasional small glass of Petite Verdot. Lots of water and the occasional beer if we visit one of the local breweries.

[CMRivdogs]

With Trump’s latest nominations what are the chances we get to see the boardroom style firings reminiscent of his defunct TV show.

Celebrity Sycophants every Thursday night on Faux Propaganda 

[ewsieg]

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

For an administration that is coming to power largely off of backlash to recent inflation, they sure seem to embrace or signal policy shifts that would just reignite it.

Mainstream memes which it seems like everyone knows about seem to revolve around the right complaining about egg prices.  Some of the pro-Trump stuff I listened to heading into the election was surprisingly up front that if Trump is elected, expect some trouble with the economy in the short term as they made things better for the future.  The 35ish% that love Trump are going to be fine with economic issues, at least early on.  It's the cost of 'burning it down'.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Trump may well reignite inflation, create a recession, or worse yet, cause stagflation with both high inflation and a recession occurring at the same time. If he does do that, I'm curious to see how teflon this guy really is. In particular, if the economy is in the ditch, do any of the gains he made with black men and Latino men actually hold at all or will they flip back once they realize the emperor has no clothes?

[oblong]

9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Trump may well reignite inflation, create a recession, or worse yet, cause stagflation with both high inflation and a recession occurring at the same time. If he does do that, I'm curious to see how teflon this guy really is. In particular, if the economy is in the ditch, do any of the gains he made with black men and Latino men actually hold at all or will they flip back once they realize the emperor has no clothes?

He's a lame duck already. Congress will ditch him as he both ages and his teflon wears off.  They have to get re-elected, he doesn't.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

The celebrity endorsements are part of the story, but the media has largely done a piss poor job in framing what happened with various groups in this election.

Like, it isn't debatable that Trump will end up doing better than most GOP candidates in our lifetimes with black voters (going from winning 7% to somewhere between 10-12%), which matters a lot in terms of electoral politics.

But somewhere along the way, this morphed into "Trump is wildly popular with black voters." Which seems to have lose sight of the fact that a candidate only winning 12% of a group is still, by any definition, getting rinsed.

What about the millions and millions Harris paid to black entertainers to throw free concerts at her rallies to make the crowds look yuuge. She paid Oprah how many million, why? If all these folks were worried about saving the country why did it cost so much for them to say it. 

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Thanks again for telling me how African Americans feel. 

Most Blacks I know feel disrespected by the White community at large.  They are past being offended by exclusion.  It's expected.  They do like to have a functioning government because it's their best chance.  

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

What about the millions and millions Harris paid to black entertainers to throw free concerts at her rallies to make the crowds look yuuge. She paid Oprah how many million, why? If all these folks were worried about saving the country why did it cost so much for them to say it. 

Not clear what any of this has to do with the point I was making.

[mtutiger]

35 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Mainstream memes which it seems like everyone knows about seem to revolve around the right complaining about egg prices.  Some of the pro-Trump stuff I listened to heading into the election was surprisingly up front that if Trump is elected, expect some trouble with the economy in the short term as they made things better for the future.  The 35ish% that love Trump are going to be fine with economic issues, at least early on.  It's the cost of 'burning it down'.

You're spot on here, there will be some that will it explain it all away in the short term if it comes to pass.

The risk for them is that it quite possibly misreads why the median voter went their way in this election.

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Not clear what any of this has to do with the point I was making.

It’s all he has. A bad case of whataboutism.There is no known cure among Trolls

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Not clear what any of this has to do with the point I was making.

Umm read your first sentence again: "The celebrity endorsements are part of the story". 

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Umm read your first sentence again: "The celebrity endorsements are part of the story". 

Pretty clearly was discussing Trump's level of support (and perceptions of his support) within the black community.

Ya got anything on that? Or are we gonna play "whaddabout Kamala?" some more

[mtutiger]

6 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

It’s all he has. A bad case of whataboutism.There is no known cure among Trolls

It's easier than defending the teevee doctor running Medicare and Medicaid, that's for sure.

[pfife]

11 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I have been searching for any story related to it. I see nothing but white people telling me black people are probably offended somewhere.

Hard to believe Pepe Lives Matter isnt covering this.

[Hongbit]

11 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

What about the millions and millions Harris paid to black entertainers to throw free concerts at her rallies to make the crowds look yuuge. She paid Oprah how many million, why? If all these folks were worried about saving the country why did it cost so much for them to say it. 

How do you know this information is true?  

It was posted randomly on Twitter and every Maga just fell in line and ate it up as a truth.  This is part of their propaganda machine.    

Every celebrity and the campaign has denied this false claim.  None were paid appearance fees.   Stop passing along baseless Twitter rumor as fact.   

I was giving you credit for being a little smarter than the typically gullible maga but I was wrong.   

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Pretty clearly was discussing Trump's level of support (and perceptions of his support) within the black community.

Ya got anything on that? Or are we gonna play "whaddabout Kamala?" some more

Oh so we can only look at one side? House rules here I forgot. Show me the list of black folks Trump paid to show up at his events to endorse/perform for him. Harris spent over a billion dollars on her campaign. It was like the remake of the movie "Brewsters Millions" lol.