2024 Presidential Election thread

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

What does that have to do with anything we are talking about? There are over 6K of them up there! Take the tinfoil hat off man..........

Not anymore fishier than some of the theories your best friends have talked about the past four years

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Not anymore fishier than some of the theories your best friends have talked about the past four years

Just weird gear shift. Did you see SpaceX Starship was able to ignite the Raptor engine in space yesterday? That is a huge step in manned Moon/Mars flights. 

[CMRivdogs]

5 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Just weird gear shift. Did you see SpaceX Starship was able to ignite the Raptor engine in space yesterday? That is a huge step in manned Moon/Mars flights. 

And how is that going to reduce the price of eggs?

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Mainstream memes which it seems like everyone knows about seem to revolve around the right complaining about egg prices.  Some of the pro-Trump stuff I listened to heading into the election was surprisingly up front that if Trump is elected, expect some trouble with the economy in the short term as they made things better for the future.  The 35ish% that love Trump are going to be fine with economic issues, at least early on.  It's the cost of 'burning it down'.

Republicans have always peached that collective suffering in the short-term will bring long-term prosperity. Unfortunately, it's generally just a small percentage that gains long-term.  The 35% will believe everythng he says, but I am not sure that some of the working class people who converted to Trump will be so patient in a downturn.  

[CMRivdogs]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

The 35% will believe everythng he says, but I am not sure that some of the working class people who converted to Trump will be so patient in a downturn.  

Especially if they find themselves unemployed with no severance. Oh well, maybe they can find jobs cleaning toilets or washing dishes for $5 an hour

[Tigeraholic1]

13 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

And how is that going to reduce the price of eggs?

Not sure, I raise my own chickens. White Leghorns to be exact, they lay around 300 eggs a year each!

[Hongbit]

28 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

LOL I am so glad I can live rent free in your guys heads! 

Nope.  I just put you on my ban list.  
 

Didn’t want to go that route but you have just admitted to being a troll.   The gig is up.  You are not worthy anyone’s time here. 

FWIW, you are not living anywhere in my head.  You are now completely insignificant.  I equate you with the fly who circles around a fresh piece of ****, happy as can be in the thinking it’s the greatest thing they’ve ever seen.   

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

Nope.  I just put you on my ban list.  
 

Didn’t want to go that route but you have just admitted to being a troll.   The gig is up.  You are not worthy anyone’s time here. 

FWIW, you are not living anywhere in my head.  You are now completely insignificant.  I equate you with the fly who circles around a fresh piece of ****, happy as can be in the thinking it’s the greatest thing they’ve ever seen.   

LOL bye Felicia!

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, ben9753 said:

Holic playing you guys with the maga playbook like clowns.

The premise that there would even be a issue with Kamala paying Oprah is never challenged because you're so caught up in whether it's even true or not. Which is all a diversion from the fact that it had nothing to do with the original discussion about black support for Trump. You guys should know better by now.

Yep... 100%

It's overall very telling that all roads lead back to "whaddbout Kamala" with Holic conversations.

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[pfife]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

 

You didn’t hold your breath waiting to see if the information was true.  You posted the fabrication from maga Twitter as a truth.   You just admitted to it.   

 

 

 

 

Yep exactly what I thought when I saw his post.   Pretty dishonest.

[pfife]

1 hour ago, ben9753 said:

Holic playing you guys with the maga playbook like clowns.

The premise that there would even be a issue with Kamala paying Oprah is never challenged because you're so caught up in whether it's even true or not. Which is all a diversion from the fact that it had nothing to do with the original discussion about black support for Trump. You guys should know better by now.

Largely true but it is important to demonstrate the lack of good faith certain posters bring to the forum.   

[Tiger337]

31 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

LOL bye Felicia!

Looks like he beat you to it.  

[mtutiger]

From my perspective, Donald Trump is the President-elect now. A full understanding of how he got to this point and what he plans on doing going forward is far more pertinent today and will remain more pertinent than Kamala Harris will be.

At some point, hiding behind and punching down on Kamala Harris is gonna have a shelf life. If it hasn't passed already.

Put even more succinctly, congratulations, your guy won... to the winner goes the attention and scrutiny. That's how it works lol

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[Tigeraholic1]

42 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Looks like he beat you to it.  

Looks to be. 

[Tigeraholic1]

27 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

From my perspective, Donald Trump is the President-elect now. A full understanding of how he got to this point and what he plans on doing going forward is far more pertinent today and will remain more pertinent than Kamala Harris will be.

At some point, hiding behind and punching down on Kamala Harris is gonna have a shelf life. If it hasn't passed already.

Put even more succinctly, congratulations, your guy won... to the winner goes the attention and scrutiny. That's how it works lol

This is the (checks notes) 2024 PE thread. I thought talking about the winning and losing candidate was the point. Hiding behind and punching down, Wha? 

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

This is the (checks notes) 2024 PE thread. I thought talking about the winning and losing candidate was the point. 

Yet when I try to talk about the winning candidate, you never engage.... there always seems to be a "whaddabout the losing candidate" pivot.

Interesting.

Edited November 20, 2024 by mtutiger

[Tigeraholic1]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Pretty clearly was discussing Trump's level of support (and perceptions of his support) within the black community.

Ya got anything on that? Or are we gonna play "whaddabout Kamala?" some more

Did Trump's support nearly double this election cycle, yes. Will it change in four years? I have no idea. I do know that instead of "taking a knee" at NFL games black/white players are doing the Trump dance. I think that is showing an improvment in some segments of the potential next election as people don't hate him. Have I seen anyone doing the Kamala dance, no.  Does anyone doing a silly dance really matter, no. Are there riots in the streets because Trump got elected, no.

I am not gonna have the talking points you demand. I value your thoughts though.

 

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Nope.  I just put you on my ban list. 

FYI, you'll still see him when other people reply to him.

[mtutiger]

31 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Did Trump's support nearly double this election cycle, yes. Will it change in four years? I have no idea.

Even setting aside the idea that he doubled (not clear that is the case at this point), he went from getting high single digit support to low teens support. In the context of the election, where it is fought over thousands of votes in seven states, obviously meaningful. Does it mean that he's popular with black voters? By any objective measure, going from 7% support to ~12% support suggests that he remains incredibly unpopular with black voters overall.

So when you say things like "only lib SJW's care about whether Trump has representation in his cabinet", you can understand how it might be a little hard to believe given how little support he gets in terms of votes from the black community. Regardless of whether it was a small improvement over fours years ago or not.

36 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 I think that is showing an improvment in some segments of the potential next election as people don't hate him.

Possibly? I think what makes it hard to tell is the significant turnout drop in safe blue states.... without having the exact numbers in front of me, Trump garnered roughly the same support in terms of raw votes that he did four years ago in Illinois, yet Kamala Harris earned 500-600k less votes than Joe Biden did.

Certainly that says a lot about Democratic enthusiasm in this cycle and the issues that Harris had outrunning the administration's issues, but 2028 isn't necessarily going to be a carbon copy of 2024. And Trump himself will NOT be in the ballot.

Also think we need to understand that events happen during a Presidency that can impact their popularity... Biden had a positive approval and lost it in 2021. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to Trump (as it kinda did in term 1 as well, though he never had a favorable approval rating)

40 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Are there riots in the streets because Trump got elected, no.

There were never going to be riots in the streets with his election this time.

40 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I am not gonna have the talking points you demand. I value your thoughts though.

I'm not demanding talking points.... I'm trying to have an actual conversation. It's not about having differing opinions.

[smr-nj]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

I'm not demanding talking points.... I'm trying to have an actual conversation. It's not about having differing opinions.

I can see that you definitely are.  I wish you success. 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Even setting aside the idea that he doubled (not clear that is the case at this point), he went from getting high single digit support to low teens support. In the context of the election, where it is fought over thousands of votes in seven states, obviously meaningful. Does it mean that he's popular with black voters? By any objective measure, going from 7% support to ~12% support suggests that he remains incredibly unpopular with black voters overall.

So when you say things like "only lib SJW's care about whether Trump has representation in his cabinet", you can understand how it might be a little hard to believe given how little support he gets in terms of votes from the black community. Regardless of whether it was a small improvement over fours years ago or not.

Possibly? I think what makes it hard to tell is the significant turnout drop in safe blue states.... without having the exact numbers in front of me, Trump garnered roughly the same support in terms of raw votes that he did four years ago in Illinois, yet Kamala Harris earned 500-600k less votes than Joe Biden did.

Certainly that says a lot about Democratic enthusiasm in this cycle and the issues that Harris had outrunning the administration's issues, but 2028 isn't necessarily going to be a carbon copy of 2024. And Trump himself will NOT be in the ballot.

Also think we need to understand that events happen during a Presidency that can impact their popularity... Biden had a positive approval and lost it in 2021. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to Trump (as it kinda did in term 1 as well, though he never had a favorable approval rating)

There were never going to be riots in the streets with his election this time.

I'm not demanding talking points.... I'm trying to have an actual conversation. It's not about having differing opinions.

Really good stuff, thank you. You are saying just like I am thinking that Harris was a bad candidate. She had very low approval ratings as VP and the carried over to the election. Add the fact Biden was voted the primary candidate and then came the bait and switch this alienated a bunch of Bidens base. I see she is currently polling as the highest bet of running in 28 I really think they need to find a more moderate candidate. Who that is I have no idea.

[mtutiger]

4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Really good stuff, thank you. You are saying just like I am thinking that Harris was a bad candidate.

That's not exactly what I am saying - I think she ran the best campaign she could but was tied too closely to the administration. And she actually did do things to try and moderate and appeal to a broader base, which I imagine you don't believe she did as well.

But she inherited the role with 107 days left in the campaign. And no, there wasn't an alternative because Whitmer or Pritzker or Shapiro or whoever weren't likely going to expend political capital trying to get around a sitting VP in an environment this bad.

And as I keep saying, given everything that happened, they largely were able to limit their losses in Senate races and are likely going to force the House GOP to lose seats.

4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Add the fact Biden was voted the primary candidate and then came the bait and switch this alienated a bunch of Bidens base. I see she is currently polling as the highest bet of running in 28 I really think they need to find a more moderate candidate. Who that is I have no idea.

Biden would have lost by even more than she did. The turnout issues felt mostly in blue states would have been felt everywhere... those Senate seats in MI/PA/WI and (maybe) AZ would have been long gone, and they would have lost seats in House. The good night they had in NC in state races, does that happen if he's there as well? Maybe Mark Robinson's toxicity would have won out, but IDK.

We just fundamentally disagree here. This thing could have been much much worse for the Democratic Party had he not gotten out.

4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I see she is currently polling as the highest bet of running in 28 I really think they need to find a more moderate candidate. Who that is I have no idea.

There's a lot of time between them and now, and they will figure something out. Personally a fan of Ruben Gallego, although he needs to be inaugurated into the Senate still.

Conversely, maybe the GOP needs to start thinking about life after Trump. He cannot run again, and they have yet to find a candidate that can be Trump without actually being Trump (and no, JD Vance ain't it)

Edited November 21, 2024 by mtutiger

[oblong]

I’m surprised we didn’t get more stories or talk about JD Vance’s lack of experience.  You have to go back to Agnew to find a VP with the same lack of government experience.  He was only Gov of Maryland for 2 years.  Prior to that you could go back to Charles Dawes, under Coolidge. He had some non cabinet level jobs but never Governor or congress.  

[smr-nj]

and there are many qualified women who could vie to be the next president of the United States, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes twice now and no matter how a percentage of the population will say that that candidate losing had nothing to do with the fact that she was a woman, but I know that’s a big fat lie, as  I’ve seen it and heard it.  There are many who just absolutely will not vote for a woman all because of a chromosome. You can sugarcoat it with a lot of doubletalk and frankly, a huge helping of condescending nonsense….. but we see what it is.

my personal take on it is that it’s an embarrassment, an insult, an extremely discouraging in a country that always bangs its own drum about how it is of the people, by the people , and for the people, …. but just not ones with breasts.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

I’m surprised we didn’t get more stories or talk about JD Vance’s lack of experience.  You have to go back to Agnew to find a VP with the same lack of government experience.  He was only Gov of Maryland for 2 years.  Prior to that you could go back to Charles Dawes, under Coolidge. He had some non cabinet level jobs but never Governor or congress.  

Even setting aside the lack of experience, he's just a terrible politician.... in a year when row office holders in Ohio were running away with massive victories - he won by six points in 2022. And while I know he's getting a second look at the moment because Trump did win - I don't think he contributed much of anything to it.

The biggest thing is that he's just a tremendous phony.... I read his book, the one that made him famous. He traded off of his background and his ancestors. And willingly did a 180 from what he wrote for power.

On a personal level, it's disqualifying. On a political level, it clearly mattered in 2022, it mattered in this cycle. And whether he ends up being President and has to stand for reelection (nonzero chance) or if he has to run a Republican primary, he's going to have to answer for it a little more than he did as Trump's VP

Edited November 21, 2024 by mtutiger