2024 Presidential Election thread

[1776]

59 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Is JD Vance a bad candidate?  He's going to be the vice president like Kamela is right now.   Will he be the nominee in 2028?

Quite frankly, who knows? Time will tell. 

[Tigeraholic1]

8 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Quite frankly, who knows? Time will tell. 

He very eloquently dog walked Tim Walz in the VP debate. I like his chances.

[pfife]

Remember when he cried about gettig fact checked?  Lmao yeah ok chief cool story

[1776]

Please dismantle this albatross known as The Department of Education!

11/22/2024

The Education Department has added hundreds of support staff to help people having trouble filling out the college aid form.   WSJ

Students and parents completing the revamped college financial aid application are finding the process is better than it was after its troubled rollout—but still glitchy.

The Free Application for Federal Student Aid for the next academic year is now open to all students. It is the second attempt at a new Fafsa meant to make aid applications easier, but after the first try left the college admissions season in disarray. The form sent out erroneous aid estimates to schools. Delays and confusion were common. Students gave up or got discouraged, potentially costing them aid money. 

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, 1776 said:

 

Please dismantle this albatross known as The Department of Education!

11/22/2024

The Education Department has added hundreds of support staff to help people having trouble filling out the college aid form.   WSJ

Students and parents completing the revamped college financial aid application are finding the process is better than it was after its troubled rollout—but still glitchy.

The Free Application for Federal Student Aid for the next academic year is now open to all students. It is the second attempt at a new Fafsa meant to make aid applications easier, but after the first try left the college admissions season in disarray. The form sent out erroneous aid estimates to schools. Delays and confusion were common. Students gave up or got discouraged, potentially costing them aid money. 

How to lie with large numbers 101. The ratio of 100 to 1 million is ten thousand. If you hire a 'few hundred' people to help tens of millions of people complete a task, you are working pretty efficiently.

[Hongbit]

20 minutes ago, 1776 said:

 

Please dismantle this albatross known as The Department of Education!

11/22/2024

The Education Department has added hundreds of support staff to help people having trouble filling out the college aid form.   WSJ

Students and parents completing the revamped college financial aid application are finding the process is better than it was after its troubled rollout—but still glitchy.

The Free Application for Federal Student Aid for the next academic year is now open to all students. It is the second attempt at a new Fafsa meant to make aid applications easier, but after the first try left the college admissions season in disarray. The form sent out erroneous aid estimates to schools. Delays and confusion were common. Students gave up or got discouraged, potentially costing them aid money. 

Soon they will be adding hundreds of staff to introduce the teaching of the Cyrillic alphabet in all American schools.  

[oblong]

35 minutes ago, 1776 said:

 

Please dismantle this albatross known as The Department of Education!

11/22/2024

The Education Department has added hundreds of support staff to help people having trouble filling out the college aid form.   WSJ

Students and parents completing the revamped college financial aid application are finding the process is better than it was after its troubled rollout—but still glitchy.

The Free Application for Federal Student Aid for the next academic year is now open to all students. It is the second attempt at a new Fafsa meant to make aid applications easier, but after the first try left the college admissions season in disarray. The form sent out erroneous aid estimates to schools. Delays and confusion were common. Students gave up or got discouraged, potentially costing them aid money. 

yet I bet when you try to get help with something you bitch about nobody being around to help and just blame it all in 'incompetence'.  But it's different when it's something YOU need.  When it's others, they're being lazy because you, Karen, are the epitome of self reliance.  Just typical libertarian pie in the sky bull****. Everyone can be one until they need something.

 

This is the kind of thing government should be doing.  Providing services.  

 

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, smr-nj said:

A woman evidently needs to be 100 times better than any male candidate. Please. It’s so very obvious. We are not on a level playing field.

Been there.

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

As I have said since 2015, it's worse than that... people seem to believe that a man with 6 bankruptcies and multiple business failures is better because of all of his 'business experience.' And in all those years, not one of his supporters has addressed this. His talent seems to be to convince people that he's a lot better in general than he is.

And yes, women are often treated differently in the workplace, in the ER-just about anywhere. We've still got a ways to go.

That said, I do think the US will catch up eventually and elect a woman as President. We may not live to see it, unfortunately. 

As one old enough to remember Geraldine Ferraro and goes way back to liking Republican Margaret Chase Smith, the good old boy network is still in charge, unfortunately.

Again I remind myself, it was as recent as the late 1970's when my wife was told by the general manager of the most popular station in Richmond, Va (think of a southern version of WJR back in the day) "A woman will never work morning drive on my station"

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

As I have said since 2015, it's worse than that... people seem to believe that a man with 6 bankruptcies and multiple business failures is better because of all of his 'business experience.' And in all those years, not one of his supporters has addressed this. His talent seems to be to convince people that he's a lot better in general than he is.

It’s the fragmented media environment that leads a hundred million-plus people to be Trump fans and supporters and voters, because they never hear a thing about his bankruptcies, business failures, or any of the rest of it. All they hear about is how the price of gas and eggs were a lot lower when he was president, and how he did a great job with the border and no wars and keeping scary transsexuals out of girls’ bathrooms. Everything else reported everywhere else is fake news, and these failures never happened.

What’s killing me is how he gets credit for things he is actually trying to destroy, such as overtime pay and other protections for the very working people in thrall to him. He’s like evangelical God in that very basic way: credit for all the good things, no blame for any of the bad things. Which totally tracks.

[CMRivdogs]

11 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

No one wants to talk about how she dropped out in 2020 before 15 other democrat candidates. I still wonder how anyone thought after installing her this year was a smart, strategic move.

Two questions, given the timing of Biden's meltdown, who would you have picked to be the alternate nominee.

And please show your work.

By the way, your side allegedly won the election. I'll bet you won't see Harris spending the next four years pretending it was rigged like our sore loser President Elect and his disciples

Edited November 22, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

As one old enough to remember Geraldine Ferraro and goes way back to liking Republican Margaret Chase Smith, the good old boy network is still in charge, unfortunately.

Again I remind myself, it was as recent as the late 1970's when my wife was told by the general manager of the most popular station in Richmond, Va (think of a southern version of WJR back in the day) "A woman will never work morning drive on my station"

You and I are old enough to refer to the late 1970s in terms of “as recent as”, while most people alive today refer to it as literally ancient history.

I occasionally have to remind myself how long ago the 1970s that I lived through and totally remember is by remembering that when I was in my 20s, the 1930s was a long ago as the 1970s is today, and in no way would I have thought of anything that happened during the 1930s as being any flavor of “recent”.

[chasfh]

31 minutes ago, oblong said:

yet I bet when you try to get help with something you bitch about nobody being around to help and just blame it all in 'incompetence'.  But it's different when it's something YOU need.  When it's others, they're being lazy because you, Karen, are the epitome of self reliance.  Just typical libertarian pie in the sky bull****. Everyone can be one until they need something.

This is the kind of thing government should be doing.  Providing services.  

Not true to anyone who voted for the trumpublicans for “run the country like a business”, which I take to mean eliminating as many departments as possible, firing the entire workforce attended to them, and diluting the quality of the product from the remaining departments as much as possible in the service of maximizing profits, which the shareholders on the inside can then pocket as dividends, while the rest of us customers pay as high a price as they can manage to get away with setting it at.

That’s how businesses run. Microeconomics 101.

[CMRivdogs]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You and I are old enough to refer to the late 1970s in terms of “as recent as”, while most people alive today refer to it as literally ancient history.

I occasionally have to remind myself how long ago the 1970s that I lived through and totally remember is by remembering that when I was in my 20s, the 1930s was a long ago as the 1970s is today, and in no way would I have thought of anything that happened during the 1930s as being any flavor of “recent”.

True, I used to shake my head at family members who used to talk about "the old says". Now I wish I had some wisdom to ask questions about "family secrets" and such. 

 

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

True, I used to shake my head at family members who used to talk about "the old says". Now I wish I had some wisdom to ask questions about "family secrets" and such. 

 

Yeah, so, so many missed opportunities to ask my parents about an era I’m semi-obsessed with now.

[1776]

22 minutes ago, oblong said:

 When it's others, they're being lazy because you, Karen, are the epitome of self reliance.  Just typical libertarian pie in the sky bull****. 

 

…always with the name calling and/or innuendos.  

I don’t agree with your perspective on this topic. However, I don’t feel as though I need to attack YOU personally as a result to make a point. 

I believe the DOE should be abolished and the dollars stay with the states. Clearly, there would be more oversight of the expenditures and without question, efficiencies would have to improve. It can’t happen overnight and there will be some areas that would have to be settled on as how a completed transition would conclude. 

[mtutiger]

12 hours ago, pfife said:

I don't agree with notions that Kamala Harris was a bad candidate.   I thought she was great and wish she was president elect.

I don't think she was the ideal candidate and she did run a legitimately bad campaign in 2020. But the dye was more or less cast when Biden picked her to be his running mate in 2020. 

Where I differ with Tigeraholic is that I think she legitimately ran a better campaign this time than in 2020 and, in the process, her elevation likely made a difference in downballot races.... does anybody think, knowing what we know today, that Tammy Baldwin and Elissa Slotkin win their Senate races if they were sharing a ballot with Joe Biden, for instance? Does the Democratic Party gain a seat or two in the House if Biden is on the ballot?

Doesn't mean she wasn't a flawed candidate or that she was the most platonic ideal, I just think a lot of the grousing about how terrible she and leaning it on her bad 2020 performance misses the forest through the trees... Trump winning sucks, but given where we all sat in Early July 2024, this thing could have been so so so much worse for the D Party. Even though some can't seem to acknowledge it.

Edited November 22, 2024 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

It’s called denial. Given some space maybe the left will open their eyes and accept the fact that she wasn’t a viable candidate. Maybe…

History will judge on the scoreboard, it is what it is.... where we differ is in terms of viewing the full picture and how much different the downballot races look if she isn't ultimately elevated over Biden.

Ultimately, if there is anyone to blame for all of this, it's him.

[Tigeraholic1]

50 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Two questions, given the timing of Biden's meltdown, who would you have picked to be the alternate nominee.

And please show your work.

Umm not my clown, not my circus. You might want ot ask his handler Nancy P.

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Not true to anyone who voted for the trumpublicans for “run the country like a business”, which I take to mean eliminating as many departments as possible, firing the entire workforce attended to them, and diluting the quality of the product from the remaining departments as much as possible in the service of maximizing profits, which the shareholders on the inside can then pocket as dividends, while the rest of us customers pay as high a price as they can manage to get away with setting it at.

That’s how businesses run. Microeconomics 101.

it's basically what the conservative movement has always been about.  Those at the bottom can screw off and fend for themselves.  Let's not help people who require it.  Have a disability?  **** you.  Have autism?  **** you.  Have an injury or other issue that prevents you from working?  **** you.  Deaf or blind?  **** you.  Born to parents who maybe can't read very well or are not tech savy?  **** you.   

Life and society should be tailored to everybody who is at 100% function and **** everybody else, that's too expensive, we can't afford it, i mean we can, but we gotta make sure people get a 18.6% return on their investment instead of 17% and we gotta build all that military equipment.

 

  

[oblong]

50 minutes ago, 1776 said:

…always with the name calling and/or innuendos.  

I don’t agree with your perspective on this topic. However, I don’t feel as though I need to attack YOU personally as a result to make a point. 

I believe the DOE should be abolished and the dollars stay with the states. Clearly, there would be more oversight of the expenditures and without question, efficiencies would have to improve. It can’t happen overnight and there will be some areas that would have to be settled on as how a completed transition would conclude. 

the states can't provide wha the federal guarantees ... and that's the federal right to a Free Appropriate Public Eductation.  That's handled under the dept. of ed and the office of civil rights.

I don't thnk you have a clue what the Dept. of Education does.  You base your opinions on boilerplate bullet points that sound good on bumper stickers attached to a jacked up F 350 with 3 dozen Trump flags on it... but in the real word....

 

[CMRivdogs]

45 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I believe the DOE should be abolished and the dollars stay with the states. Clearly, there would be more oversight of the expenditures and without question, efficiencies would have to improve. It can’t happen overnight and there will be some areas that would have to be settled on as how a completed transition would conclude. 

This is where I come from concerning school funding and guidelines I believe we're about the same age and have been there. 
Leaving the decisions to the states and localities would deepen the divide in education quality between urban and rural areas. The rich communities and counties would get richer, while the inner cities and rural districts would end up fighting for scraps. Finding less funding fewer resources, less support for teachers, administrators and students.

I'm very much against any public funding (state, federal or local) going to private institutions. Let's go back to the days that if a church or educational corporation wants to fund a school so be it. But don't take away my taxpayer money to fund your private school.

 

[mtutiger]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm very much against any public funding (state, federal or local) going to private institutions. 

I would argue that being very much against public funding being used in an unaccountable fashion to go to private institutions is actually the conservative position.

Edited November 22, 2024 by mtutiger

[CMRivdogs]

Just now, mtutiger said:

I would argue that being very much against public funding being used in an unaccountable fashion to go to private institutions is actually a conservative position.

Under the old definition of conservatives yes, nowadays ????

[1776]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

  You base your opinions on boilerplate bullet points that sound good on bumper stickers attached to a jacked up F 350 with 3 dozen Trump flags on it... but in the real word....

 

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