Tigerbomb13 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Imagine having a spine that small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 after Trump endorsed Larry Hogan for Senate, Hogan told him to **** off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Grandpa Trump's rambling seems to have the kids a bit concerned.... Really getting the sense that the CEOs have been tuned out like the rest of us collectively have been... because it shouldn't be surprising that Donald Trump doesn't come across coherent when you actually listen to the guy talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Imagine being someone like Bob Good who has been one of the biggest Trumpers in the House (after rigging the nominating primary/convention in 2020) only to be dissed by Trump who endorsed his opponent and told to remove his campaign signs tying him to the Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Imagine being someone like Bob Good who has been one of the biggest Trumpers in the House (after rigging the nominating primary/convention in 2020) only to be dissed by Trump who endorsed his opponent and told to remove his campaign signs tying him to the Big Guy I remember that period of time when conservatives liked to throw the word "c*ck" around toward established Republicans. Clearly it's taken on new meaning in our current era.... The lack of self respect and shame that these guys all exhibit is kinda sad and pathetic IMO... sure, power's on the line and they're gonna do what they're gonna do to get it and / or maintain it, but how willingly people sacrifice their dignity in pursuit of it will always be foreign to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Really getting the sense that the CEOs have been tuned out like the rest of us collectively have been... because it shouldn't be surprising that Donald Trump doesn't come across coherent when you actually listen to the guy talk. Just to add to this as well, certainly CEOs are focused on tax policy, but the other thing that they value? Stability. Shareholder value, etc. You get the sense as well that at least some of these guys maybe walked into the meeting thinking that Trump is a standard, generic GOP candidate who would be better in both respects. And that the meeting called that idea into question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I'm warming up to @Edman85's theory that Trump being tied to his trial in NY helped him as it kept him busy and away from events like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 11 minutes ago, oblong said: I'm warming up to @Edman85's theory that Trump being tied to his trial in NY helped him as it kept him busy and away from events like this. It's not even just the trial in New York, he's largely avoiding scrutiny as well because he's no longer in the public eye in the way that he was as POTUS. He's not on Twitter, his schedule is less filled out than it used to be, etc. That inevitably will change as we get closer to the election, stuff like yesterday is a good example of that. Whether it matters enough is another discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Ted Cruz one upped Mitch by clapping long after Trump left the room. Very Stalin-esque. Then he called his wife to let her know she is ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Just to add to this as well, certainly CEOs are focused on tax policy, but the other thing that they value? Stability. Shareholder value, etc. You get the sense as well that at least some of these guys maybe walked into the meeting thinking that Trump is a standard, generic GOP candidate who would be better in both respects. And that the meeting called that idea into question. They hadn't figured that out already? How could anybody be surprised to learn that Trump is an idiot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 29 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Ted Cruz one upped Mitch by clapping long after Trump left the room. Very Stalin-esque. Then he called his wife to let her know she is ugly. Is anyone more pathetic than Ted Cruz...well, maybe Rudy Giuliani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: They hadn't figured that out already? How could anybody be surprised to learn that Trump is an idiot? Said it before and will say it again: if you're on this message board posting about politics, you're likely more tuned in than 95%+ of the population on politics. Including some CEOs, believe it or not. The guy has largely been out of the public eye... combine that with Joe Biden having low approval ratings, the time that has passed since Trump's term in office ended, and a population that is a lot more tuned out on politics than it was at this time four years ago, it's not hard to see how people can forget or even lie to themselves about his qualities as a candidate. But just as the CEOs apparently got a reminder of what he's like (or perhaps even the way that he's lost some MPHs on his fastball in the past four years), we all will as well. It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, but regardless of if he wins or loses, he's not going to be able to hide the ball for the next five months. Edited June 14 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I see it more as he was a useful idiot to them and now his use is diminished. As said before, he had some valuable people around him, like the Treasury Secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 minutes ago, oblong said: I see it more as he was a useful idiot to them and now his use is diminished. As said before, he had some valuable people around him, like the Treasury Secretary. And, to the extent that he talked about anything policy-wise yesterday, it was that insane "replace income tax with tariffs" idea... If you're a CEO of, say, Target, does that sound good for business to you? Or other retailers? Does that help get more people into stores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 13 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Said it before and will say it again: if you're on this message board posting about politics, you're likely more tuned in than 95%+ of the population on politics. Including some CEOs, believe it or not. The guy has largely been out of the public eye... combine that with Joe Biden having low approval ratings, the time that has passed since Trump's term in office ended, and a population that is a lot more tuned out on politics than it was at this time four years ago, it's not hard to see how people can forget or even lie to themselves about his qualities as a candidate. But just as the CEOs apparently got a reminder of what he's like (or perhaps even the way that he's lost some MPHs on his fastball in the past four years), we all will as well. It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, but regardless of if he wins or loses, he's not going to be able to hide the ball for the next five months. He has apparently hidden the ball for over 40 years. People are just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 While I think Cruz has turned into a sycophant for Trump I don't think a video of him clapping a few extra seconds is really that newsworthy or bad. I think the bigger issue is Trump insulted the way the guys wife looks and he sat their and took it like a bitch, not the length of how long he clapped for Trump. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 9 hours ago, mtutiger said: I doubt it would happen even if he won, it's too looney tunes for the business wing of his party, but it's a real illustration about how little he understands policy. This idea, right here, should have a whole commercial campaign devoted to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 9 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: Grandpa Trump's rambling seems to have the kids a bit concerned.... That middle paragraph is one of the least-kept secrets about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 hours ago, mtutiger said: And, to the extent that he talked about anything policy-wise yesterday, it was that insane "replace income tax with tariffs" idea... If you're a CEO of, say, Target, does that sound good for business to you? Or other retailers? Does that help get more people into stores? without running any numbers I'm going to make a 1st pass assumption that the number won't match up. Tariffs were the primary income for the Federal government prior to the income tax and simply were not yielding enough money, which is why the income tax was established in the 1st place. I pretty seriously doubt you could come close to replacing the income tax with tariffs. Not to mention the elasticity effect. If you push tariffs up to get more revenue, imports will just fall in response. That might be a nice outcome for US manufacturer's but it would still leave the Treasury empty. You also have a stability problem. The income tax is a popular tax with governments because after property taxes, it is the most stable. The business cycle plays havoc with consumption taxes and would even more-so on tariffs, leaving the gov with a huge headache over year to year variability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Crazy uncle don has been the crazy sauce again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 50 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: .... If you push tariffs up to get more revenue, imports will just fall in response. That might be a nice outcome for US manufacturer's but it would still leave the Treasury empty. You ... Worse. Shifting everything over to tariffs means jacking up tariffs, as stated above several times. Which means the rest of the world is going to do the same. They're not just going to rollover and say "oh. thank you very much Donald Trump. No worries". No... the response will be a worldwide tariff war. A major, serious one. Both imports AND exports will come to a screeching halt. Creating a worldwide Great Depression. Which brainless MF'ing JACKASS is spouting this utter idiocy? Oh, yeah, Donald Brainless MF'ing MORON Trump. A MORON for over 40+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Yup, this too. But do you think anyone in the US media will actually provide a serious challenge to the stupidity of any of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Free trade, the rule of law and collective security ensures peace or helps create stability and the conditions for peace. Trade based on insider deals and tariffs among a crooked oligarch class who seek to break down international collective security so as to empower authoritarian and totalitarian regimes as part of an effort to enrich themselves creates the conditions for war and tyranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 9 hours ago, oblong said: I see it more as he was a useful idiot to them and now his use is diminished. As said before, he had some valuable people around him, like the Treasury Secretary. Has Trump’s usefulness diminished for them? I ask because as far as they’re concerned, doesn’t it come down to the choice between Trump, who will do anything for them to keep them on his side—if for no other reason than he can hobnob with them and bask in their relatively clean hands glow—and Biden, whom they view as actively hostile and antithetical to everything they hold dear? Which, really, boils down to one thing. I have a feeling the CEOs will be quietly on the Trump train come November, and they will proselytize out of public view for the election of him to anyone they talk to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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