romad1 Posted Friday at 11:52 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:52 AM 6 minutes ago, oblong said: When Truman was selected as VP by the backroom they knew they were picking the next President. It's one of the many parallels he shares with Gerald Ford. Neither wanted the job and were picked as VP due to their non threatening nature and the fact they would be acceptable as the next POTUS to everyone in the party, and across the aisle in Ford's case. The "backroom" knew Wallace was a soviet agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 11:52 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:52 AM I like how all the Dems pissing their pants can’t even settle on a replacement. They skip right over Harris and go to Newsom, Whitmer, Buttigieg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Friday at 11:54 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:54 AM 14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Newsom polls worse than Biden. Republicans fall in line and Democrats wet themselves. I think its 50-50 that the bedwetters will either demand that Joe step down or Joe does it himself. The election either gets a lot easier or harder after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted Friday at 11:55 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:55 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Friday at 11:55 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:55 AM The stakes are too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 12:03 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:03 PM Biden has been the best president of my lifetime but all that matters is how you do in a debate in June. Meanwhile, republicans double down on the guy convicted of 34 felonies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted Friday at 12:09 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:09 PM 8 minutes ago, romad1 said: I think its 50-50 that the bedwetters will either demand that Joe step down or Joe does it himself. The election either gets a lot easier or harder after that. I'm torn, because the elite media crowd is often really really wrong on matters of public opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't move the needle much overall TBH OTOH, they have a lot of power to set the narrative, it's already been set and is *further being reinforced*, and he's not getting any younger. And even beyond Joe's age issue, the most common refrain I've heard (to the extent people talk about the election) in real life is "these are our options, really?" People need to be clear that if they make a change, it's going to be Kamala Harris. She's the VP, she's the only option that has gone through a full background vetting, going around her would create additional schisms within the party. But this has also been a relatively stable race from the beginning - her being elevated would upend that. I would add as well that while people focus on her negatives, to the extent Biden's age is the thing dragging him down, this would take that off the table, and potentially point it back at Trump (who is 78 and incoherent in his own right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Friday at 12:10 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:10 PM 17 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I like how all the Dems pissing their pants can’t even settle on a replacement. They skip right over Harris and go to Newsom, Whitmer, Buttigieg. Yeah, the magical thinking on this stuff is wild.... from people who should know better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted Friday at 12:22 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:22 PM The cspan callers, ie the pulse of the nation, is much more ambivalent on the debate than I was expecting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted Friday at 12:28 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:28 PM 1 minute ago, pfife said: The cspan callers, ie the pulse of the nation, is much more ambivalent on the debate than I was expecting. I'm not sure what the CSPAN callers are saying, but Trump's debate performance was objectively terrible last night as well, so it shouldn't exactly be surprising that people listening to the substance are more ambivalent than a lot of folks in elite media IMO, who are almost exclusively judging on style here. But I do think it highlights the biggest weakness for Biden, IMO: that Trump said a lot of crazy last night and made a bunch of mistakes of his own ("black jobs", tripling down on not accepting the results of the next election, his J6 answer, etc.), but that ultimately he wasn't able to do as much as he should to capitalize on that. I think that's where people's concern about his age / acuity matter.... the debate may end up being a wash but he probably needs to do more than just a wash to change the dynamic of this race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichiganCardinal Posted Friday at 12:47 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:47 PM As much as I don’t like her (or any political prosecutor), a Harris/Buttigieg ticket may win running away. I don’t think Joe would allow it though and I don’t think anyone would stand up to him about it. I also don’t think it’s even necessary. It’s June. He’s just old. His opponent is a felon who led a coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 12:50 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:50 PM Kamala Harris couldn't even make it to Iowa. The few polls out there show her doing worse than Biden. There isn't a magic ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Friday at 12:53 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:53 PM 24 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I'm not sure what the CSPAN callers are saying, but Trump's debate performance was objectively terrible last night as well, so it shouldn't exactly be surprising that people listening to the substance are more ambivalent than a lot of folks in elite media IMO, who are almost exclusively judging on style here. But I do think it highlights the biggest weakness for Biden, IMO: that Trump said a lot of crazy last night and made a bunch of mistakes of his own ("black jobs", tripling down on not accepting the results of the next election, his J6 answer, etc.), but that ultimately he wasn't able to do as much as he should to capitalize on that. I think that's where people's concern about his age / acuity matter.... the debate may end up being a wash but he probably needs to do more than just a wash to change the dynamic of this race. Yeah, a lot of people noted the deliberate crapitudes that Trump spouted. He was not the person who lowered the cost of insulin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted Friday at 12:55 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:55 PM 6 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: As much as I don’t like her (or any political prosecutor), a Harris/Buttigieg ticket may win running away. I don’t think Joe would allow it though and I don’t think anyone would stand up to him about it. I also don’t think it’s even necessary. It’s June. He’s just old. His opponent is a felon who led a coup. Maybe they are proven right in the end, but my sense is that a lot of people are getting a little too far over their skis without waiting for actual data to come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Friday at 12:55 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:55 PM 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: the stakes are higher than they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Friday at 12:58 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:58 PM Exclusive: DNC moves ahead on all-virtual roll call for Biden presidential nomination • Ohio Capital Journal Quote DNC members finalized their vote Thursday to move forward with an all-virtual roll call vote after 360 members voted in favor, two voted against and five abstained, according to a spokesperson. In addition, the DNC will offer an online portal for Democrats to say what they want to see included in the national party platform as it is constructed ahead of the convention. DNC Chair Jaime Harrison wrote in a statement that during the first term of the Biden-Harris administration, “we’ve seen the incredible outcomes that can result when democratic ideas are put into action.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted Friday at 12:59 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:59 PM 2 minutes ago, romad1 said: the stakes are higher than they should be. Yeah so get behind Biden or get lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted Friday at 01:03 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:03 PM 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Yeah so get behind Biden or get lost. As the "near enemy" of Trump and MAGA the stakes are higher for me than they are for mere democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Friday at 01:03 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:03 PM 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: Exclusive: DNC moves ahead on all-virtual roll call for Biden presidential nomination • Ohio Capital Journal They could easily change the roll call back to happening in Chicago if they wanted given that Ohio has passed legislation that would fix the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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