2024 Presidential Election thread

[pfife]

3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Got a post on Facebook that it's Trump that shares Catholic Values, not that fake Catholic Biden. 

You mean cheating on every wife?

Two divorces?  (and a third one coming one day)

Banging a stripper and paying her off?   

Or do you mean Catholic Values as in being around people that you know are molesting children and doing nothing about it?      Yep,  I guess he does share those values.  

owning casinos seems super Catholic

[mtutiger]

59 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Could Black Jobs become the next binders full of women?
 

More like Oz's abortion comments in his Fetterman debate (ie. More or less ignored by the media but far more consequential than acknowledged in real time)

[mtutiger]

56 minutes ago, pfife said:

I would generalize this to not only (but esp) the NYTimes but frankly most columnists.   One of the accountability-free "professions" there is.   I used to be super interested in NYtimes columns that crushed W or something like that back in the day but it doesn't take very long to figure out that it totally doesn't matter.

Thomas Friedman is the absolute worst.

Not a columnist, but Jonathan Martin is also the worst.

Probably makes at least 5x what I make and yet keeps suggesting "West Wing" BS that even novices like any of us know cannot happen in reality

Edited Saturday at 01:35 PM by mtutiger

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Not a columnist, but Jonathan Martin is also the worst.

Probably makes at least 5x what I make and yet keeps suggesting "West Wing" BS that even a novice like any of us know cannot happen in reality

Oh yeah he grinds me bad.  He seems so smug on TV too.   Way overly emotive. 

[Motown Bombers]

34 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

It's a message board where we express our opinions. I don't need to be lectured by you and neither does anyone else here. You're welcome to sign up and volunteer with the MDP to knock doors as I have professor. 

https://michigandems.com/volunteer/

But since your now in charge of filtering and regulating opinions around here please let me know what to type next. 

I expressed my opinion that your idea of replacing Biden is asinine. It's not rooted in any logic. You're down to just picking any token black senator because of vibes. 

I keep my volunteering targeted. I'm currently phone and text banking for Emily Busch. I have in the past volunteered for Mai Xiong and Lori Stone. I'm not going to volunteer for any organization that supports Rashida Tlaib. My money and efforts are better spent targeting people I vetted and not terrorists. 

You're a better wordsmith than I am so you have some latitude on what type. It should include a full apology for suggesting something so ridiculous, a full endorsement of Biden, and why he has been the best president of your lifetime. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

 

[pfife]

11 hours ago, mtutiger said:

My hottest take from what happened last night is that the "black jobs" comment is going to hurt Trump a lot more than people realize. Especially when you consider that a lot of the polling shows Trump overperforming with AAs/Latino voters, and that his polling lead, to some extent, rests on that.

We always assume that it's only about style, but on substance, this likely hurt him a lot with a group he has polled relatively well with during this cycle.

 

They were using it as a drop on the local Detroit sports radio station yesterday.  May be an indicator that it's breached the political nerd bubble and is out in broader culture.

[pfife]

That said they were also making fun of Biden so double edged swords.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, pfife said:

That said they were also making fun of Biden so double edged swords.

I believe that.

The overall lack of conversation about the substance really stands out in political media though, and the fact that I hear and see more conversation from more normie / non-political types about the substance than from people who are paid to cover this stuff for a living should be really embarrassing 

[ewsieg]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

Yeah, let’s have a debate where the moderators also do the work for Biden as it’s clear he no longer has that option.

Or, just hear me out, you put someone up against Trump that can do that job, as they should, as Biden once could.

[mtutiger]

People have their issues with Axelrod (myself included), but he's right here.... there aren't going to be public calls for him to step down. Maybe there's a few party elders (ie. Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, Clyburn) *behind close doors* who can have the conversation with him, but ultimately it's a decision that he's going to have to make, in consultation with his family.

Expecting a jail break from rank and file or Dem surrogates (ie. Whitmer, Shapiro, Pritzker, etc.) is unrealistic. And there is no mechanism to force him off the ballot that doesn't involve him making that choice.

And in the unlikely event that it happens, it will be Kamala Harris. If you are advocating he step aside, be comfortable with that.

Edited Saturday at 05:57 PM by mtutiger

[SkyBlue]

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

Are the moderators supposed to push back on lies by both debaters or just the one?

Obviously majority here want the push back on Trump which is fine, but what about Bidne's lies?

[oblong]

1 minute ago, SkyBlue said:

Are the moderators supposed to push back on lies by both debaters or just the one?

Obviously majority here want the push back on Trump which is fine, but what about Bidne's lies?

Who suggested otherwise.  But when one debater is lying a lot more than the other then the snowflakes interpret that as bullying.  

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, SkyBlue said:

Are the moderators supposed to push back on lies by both debaters or just the one?

Obviously majority here want the push back on Trump which is fine, but what about Bidne's lies?

The more fact checking of both candidates, the better

[SkyBlue]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

Who suggested otherwise.  But when one debater is lying a lot more than the other then the snowflakes interpret that as bullying.  

Well, this board from what I have read in these political threads has a heavy pro democrat slant, which is fine, great even. But there has not been any push for checking on the lies of both candidates Thursday, just one.

[SkyBlue]

https://x.com/ICannot_Enough/status/1806661088781455494

 

https://twitter.com/ICannot_Enough/status/1806661088781455494

Edited Saturday at 07:34 PM by SkyBlue

[SkyBlue]

So, how does one post a tweet on this board so that is shows instead of just a link?

Too many msg boards, none work the same.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Yeah, let’s have a debate where the moderators also do the work for Biden as it’s clear he no longer has that option.

Or, just hear me out, you put someone up against Trump that can do that job, as they should, as Biden once could.

Yeah, that was Biden's job and that was the most frustrating part of the "debate".  He started doing it later, but it was too little too late.  

[Motown Bombers]

Never heard of Leger but appears to be a right wing poll owned by Murdoch. 538 has it as one of the least reliable polls. 

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Yeah, let’s have a debate where the moderators also do the work for Biden as it’s clear he no longer has that option.

Or, just hear me out, you put someone up against Trump that can do that job, as they should, as Biden once could.

They should moderate. Trump wasn’t even answering the questions. Biden would need to spend the whole time fact checking. If you want to know how it’s done, go watch the debates with Bobert. That moderator wasn’t taking her BS. 

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

They should moderate. Trump wasn’t even answering the questions. Biden would need to spend the whole time fact checking. If you want to know how it’s done, go watch the debates with Bobert. That moderator wasn’t taking her BS. 

I didn't watch on CNN (I watched on WGN locally here), but my understanding is that they had Daniel Dale do a pretty thorough segment going through all of the candidates lies.... but, naturally, that segment didn't air until something like 11:45 pm eastern.

Like, maybe run that segment immediately at the conclusion of the debate? Do we really need an hour of their hack panels before cutting through some of the BS?

I understand Eric's point here, most of it falls on the candidate, and it's like drinking through a firehose when you are going against a profligate liar like Donald Trump. But CNN shouldn't escape scrutiny here.... both in terms of moderation and in terms of production, they could have done better to highlight the falsehoods that were thrown around in a way that would have served the viewer better.

Edited Saturday at 07:56 PM by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I didn't watch on CNN (I watched on WGN locally here), but my understanding is that they had Daniel Dale do a pretty thorough segment going through all of the candidates lies.... but, naturally, that segment didn't air until something like 11:45 pm eastern.

Like, maybe run that segment immediately at the conclusion of the debate? Do we really need an hour of their hack panels before cutting through some of the BS?

I understand Eric's point here, most of it falls on the candidate, and it's like drinking through a firehose when you are going against a profligate liar like Donald Trump. But CNN shouldn't escape scrutiny here.... both in terms of moderation and in terms of production, they could have done better to highlight the falsehoods that were thrown around.

Daniel Dale was fact checking in real time in Twitter. Just run it as a ticker on the broadcast. 

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

They should moderate. Trump wasn’t even answering the questions. Biden would need to spend the whole time fact checking. If you want to know how it’s done, go watch the debates with Bobert. That moderator wasn’t taking her BS. 

You can't moderate Trump.  He's just going to do what he wants anyway.  It was Biden's job to do that.  The old Biden would have grilled him.  

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Daniel Dale was fact checking in real time in Twitter. Just run it as a ticker on the broadcast. 

Guessing the campaigns would have had to agree to that...

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Guessing the campaigns would have had to agree to that...

That’s fine. Let Trump back put because he doesn’t want to be fact checked.