gehringer_2 Posted Sunday at 09:08 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:08 PM (edited) What a total misread. Johnson didn't withdraw because it was 'popular' he withdrew because he didn't want to be embarrassed by losing the nomination in a party that wanted the war over (or alternately splitting the party so badly he couldn't win). Johnson was at the end of his rope over Vietnam - he had no idea what to do next and everyone, including LBJ, realized he was paralyzed. He knew if he pulled the plug the US public - the voting public that had won WWII, would never accept a 'loss' (which in 68 was absolutely still the case), but he also was figuring out that the DOD had no idea how to win either. Edited Sunday at 09:09 PM by gehringer_2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Sunday at 09:09 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:09 PM 1 hour ago, ewsieg said: Rather this is a planned trip or not, if his team is not talking to him about stepping down, then they are just 'yes' men like we all fear Trump will have anyway. It would be a dereliction of duty if they do not ask the tough questions to him. 100%, it is spin... I don't think they are inured to the idea there is a problem here, whether or not it was preplanned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Sunday at 09:13 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:13 PM (edited) James Carville made a comment that has stuck with me a day or two ago, something to the effect of "this effort will continue until it cannot." I doubt he has any special insight, but essentially, the line of continuing to stay in and fight will continue until the moment its not the party line anymore. Something to keep in mind in the coming days... Edited Sunday at 09:14 PM by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Sunday at 09:50 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:50 PM Meanwhile, the press continues to cover themselves in glory during this whole affair. Like, how dare the Toledo Blade and Naperville Sun cover things happening in Toledo and Naperville? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 09:54 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:54 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 10:09 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:09 PM What happens when Democrats overturn the election and install Whitmer as the nominee and she bombs a debate? Do we go back to Biden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 10:55 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:55 PM (edited) This isn’t about losing a debate. I personally think he won the debate handily. It’s about how he looked on the stage and his age and mental ability going forward. That’s going be forefront on the minds of many voters. If this was an isolated incident and he was just having a bad day, it’s a non issue for the Dems. Let’s all move along and this goes away. The problem is that if things like this keep happening, it becomes an election losing situation. God forbid something worse than what we saw at the start of the debate happens in the Fall just a few months before election day. Trump would walk to an easy victory. The reality is there are no other options that can beat Trump right now. Removing Biden can’t be an option unless there’s been much more going on behind the scenes in his day to day functioning than we don’t get to see. If there was any real thought (not silly media rumors) of actually replacing right now, it would lead me to believe that these things have been noticeable for quite some time and people close to him and the DNC have been trying to keep them from coming to light. Edited Sunday at 10:56 PM by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:08 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:08 PM We just skip right over Trump is only 3 years younger, morbidly obese, couldn't stay awake during his trial, and slurs his speech at almost every rally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:15 PM If Biden is so bad he can't run, shouldn't we be calling on him to resign then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 11:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:15 PM 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: We just skip right over Trump is only 3 years younger, morbidly obese, couldn't stay awake during his trial, and slurs his speech at almost every rally. All true but unfortunately this is not part of the public perception at the moment. It’s probably a great idea for the Biden campaign and Democratic war machine to start focusing on health much more with regards to Trump. If both sides are perceived to have the same issue, it’s no longer a deciding factor in the election. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:16 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:16 PM Just now, Hongbit said: All true but unfortunately this is not part of the public perception at the moment. It’s probably a great idea for the Biden campaign and Democratic war machine to start focusing on health much more with regards to Trump. If both sides are perceived to have the same issue, it’s no longer a deciding factor in the election. Public perception has remained unchanged and may have slightly improved in Biden's favor. Obama took a way worse hit after his first debate in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Just now, Motown Bombers said: If Biden is so bad he can't run, shouldn't we be calling on him to resign then? I don’t know if he is or not. We are just discussing it since this is discussion board and that’s what we do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 11:22 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:22 PM 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Public perception has remained unchanged and may have slightly improved in Biden's favor. Obama took a way worse hit after his first debate in 2012. Trump was awful. I bet Biden would’ve gained maybe as many 10 points in the polls had he not had those moments in the first 30 minutes. It definitely hurt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM 2 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Trump was awful. I bet Biden would’ve gained maybe as many 10 points in the polls had he not had those moments in the first 30 minutes. It definitely hurt him. If debates mattered, Hillary would have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 11:34 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:34 PM 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: If debates mattered, Hillary would have won. The issue isn’t the debate. It has nothing to do with who won or lost or any of the points or policy discussed. It’s about something concerning that happened with a candidate that just happened to take place at the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:36 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:36 PM 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: The issue isn’t the debate. It has nothing to do with who won or lost or any of the points or policy discussed. It’s about something concerning that happened with a candidate that just happened to take place at the debate. You just said he would have gained 10 points had those moments not happened. Nobody was going to gain 10 points from a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted Sunday at 11:41 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:41 PM It was hyperbole but a 10 point debate poll could happen. Polls aren’t reliable anymore. Anyone can a buy one to say whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 11:57 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted Monday at 12:54 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:54 AM I like Sarah Longwell, but just pretending Kamala Harris isn't a factor is as delusional as manu people think Biden's campaign is IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Monday at 01:01 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:01 AM There is no mechanism to get any of them on the ballot. They would have to build a campaign from scratch. They don't just get Biden's money. Would they even be able to get on the ballot in all the states? This is insanity over a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted Monday at 01:04 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:04 AM Didn't say it in a debate so unfortunately it doesn't count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted Monday at 01:19 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:19 AM This is bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 02:05 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:05 AM Interesting assessment of Biden from a surprising source. James is not just being a knee jerk lefty by the way. In fact, he has been critical of Biden before. I don't think he's a righty either. He is all over the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 02:10 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:10 AM 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Didn't say it in a debate so unfortunately it doesn't count. He is completely full of ****. He acted kind of normal in the debate because he wants the soccer moms to think he's not such a bad guy. He acts crazy when he talks to MAGA because that's what they want to hear. It is total manipulation all the time from the psychopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 02:12 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:12 AM 8 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: But they'll vote for him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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