ewsieg Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: If they're doing the job as well as Biden's handlers and saving our country and democracy, yes. They are trailing to a guy that actually tried to overthrow the election, is mocked by even many of his own supporters, and has basically only said all of the currently illegal things he'd do once he is elected again. Doesn't seem that good of a job to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Glad to see you're eating up their excuses without any questions. To be fair, to question them means you're subverting democracy though so I get why you wouldn't do that. How did Biden's doctors letter start out? Something like 'due to hipaa we normally wouldn't say anything, but I got permission from the doctor and biden to let you know that doctor has seen other patients at the WH.' You can't say a doctor works at a facility due to Hipaa? Seriously? And he's treated 1000's of people at the WH? In looking up information on the white house medical center it's primary function is the president and their family along with dealing with any urgent care needs that might happen at the White House and not until more recently, has the scope been pushed out to include the VP and their family as well. Maybe I could get past a general doc on staff too for full time employees, but a specialist? 1000's of people? So are we sending folks to the WH for care or do we really have 1000's of people that work full time at the white house that need to see Neuro docs? *Sigh* It's not an excuse. It's literally public record. It's from the same public records that the New York Times found out a Neuro visited the White House. Most of the times the Neuro was at the White House, Biden was not there. Biden's doctor's report has been public since February. No, you can't publicly release who a doctor is seeing and why. Biden and the Neuro gave permission to release his evaluation of Biden which is done once a year. I never suggested he's treated thousands of people, I stated thousands of people get medical treatment at the White House and he is there for any number of those people. This is common practice. He was there multiple times during the Obama administration. We don't know about Trump because he never made those records public. He also isn't on staff. He only visited eight times over the course of a year and again most of those times Biden wasn't even there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) She clearly won the Senate seat based on DEI mandates. That's how democracy works, apparently. At least to the Dragon of Budapest: Seb Gorka. Edited July 10 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Frankly I don't even expect Biden to make it through another term. Either he dies or steps down. That's fine. If he gets too bad and refuses to step down, invoke the 25th amendment. So of the Presidents that have died since WWII ended, 4 died at an age greater than 85 and one is still alive at age >85 (Ford, GHWB, Truman, Hoover, Carter). Three died younger (Nixon, LBJ, Eisenhower) than 85, and one lived past 85 but was effectively incapacitated at by that age (Reagan). One was assassinated. So Biden's probability of making 85 based on just on that sample is about 50/50. (4 are still alive but not yet 85 - Clinton, Obama, Bush II, Trump). Edited July 10 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Did I post this already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: So of the Presidents that have died since WWII ended, 4 died at an age greater than 85 and one is still alive at age >85 (Ford, GHWB, Truman, Hoover, Carter). Three died younger (Nixon, LBJ, Eisenhower) than 85, and one lived past 85 but was effectively incapacitated at by that age (Reagan). One was assassinated. So Biden's probability of making 85 based on just on that sample is about 50/50. (4 are still alive but not yet 85 - Clinton, Obama, Bush II, Trump). He could drop dead after inauguration for all I care. We have a succession plan. We’ve had to have a Vice President take office multiple times. Well be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: He could drop dead after inauguration for all I care. We have a succession plan. We’ve had to have a Vice President take office multiple times. Well be fine. It is sort of funny. One of the stock complaints from the population about politics is too little focus on the issues. So here is a case where as a voter you have a clear opportunity to vote a program and a set of positions on issues over the particular personality (i.e. Party over Person). and we can't cope? Edited July 10 by gehringer_2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Just now, gehringer_2 said: It is sort of funny. One of the stock complaints from the population about politics is too little focus on the issues. So here is a case where as a voter you have a clear opportunity to vote a program and a set of positions on issues over the particular personality (i.e. Party over Person). and we can't cope? I definitely don't see any drop off in her than him except he does know more about foreign policy than she will ever know. Tony Blinken can be the bridge there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Cocaine paranoia https://www.mediaite.com/trump/donald-trump-jr-drops-wild-warning-about-why-his-father-must-not-choose-marco-rubio-for-vice-president/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 14 minutes ago, romad1 said: I definitely don't see any drop off in her than him except he does know more about foreign policy than she will ever know. Tony Blinken can be the bridge there though. I like her a lot and think she would be a good president. However... I don't know what I'd call it, but I think Biden's experience in how things work on Capitol Hill is another item for your list where there's drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 So, my buddy at work who was so stalwart for Biden this week and angry about all the naysayers in the party changed his tune today. Started with a "so, real talk" message on our messaging app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 30 minutes ago, pfife said: I like her a lot and think she would be a good president. However... I don't know what I'd call it, but I think Biden's experience in how things work on Capitol Hill is another item for your list where there's drop off. And for whom would it not be a drop off? (Probably only Pelosi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 What confidence is there that the Democratic party will be able to fight back the relentless attacks on Harris? What confidence is there that Dems would fight back on whatever oppo they have on Newsom or Whitmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) What's utterly amazing is that in the aggregate Biden is only down two points and it's only July and Democrats have already given up and conceded the election. A remarkable display of cowardice. Edited July 10 by Motown Bombers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Opposite the opening of the Trumpublican Convention... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smr-nj Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Jeez. This doom and gloom is contagious for some, I guess. Me? I’m not changing ****. None of my family is changing ****. None of my friends are changing ****. Just sayin. edit to add: Full disclosure - I would vote for a bowl of red potato salad if that was who/what was opposing Trump 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: *Sigh* It's not an excuse. It's literally public record. It's from the same public records that the New York Times found out a Neuro visited the White House. Most of the times the Neuro was at the White House, Biden was not there. Biden's doctor's report has been public since February. No, you can't publicly release who a doctor is seeing and why. Biden and the Neuro gave permission to release his evaluation of Biden which is done once a year. I never suggested he's treated thousands of people, I stated thousands of people get medical treatment at the White House and he is there for any number of those people. This is common practice. He was there multiple times during the Obama administration. We don't know about Trump because he never made those records public. He also isn't on staff. He only visited eight times over the course of a year and again most of those times Biden wasn't even there. Still so much smoke related to this. https://www.c-span.org/video/?533910-1/president-biden-heads-walter-reed-annual-physical-exam So POTUS goes to Walter Reed for his annual and per the White House correspondence relating to this, Biden gave permission to release the fact that he did see this Neuro doctor at his physical (which again was done at Walter Reed). But when a pilot on Marine 1 needs to see the Neuro, he just flies over to the WH to see his specialist? This is what i'm thinking, and in a weird way, kind of hope it's true as I want the person I vote for to be mentally fit for the job. I think his doctor was concerned he might have Parkinson's and he's been consulting with this specialist. Even if they felt he did have it (it's not like there is a bloodtest), I'm sure Biden wouldn't want them to put that on paper, once that's done, it's another battle to face. Then I imagine something like this: Biden - "so even if you think I have Parkinson's, once you diagnose me with this, is there anything to prevent me from my job" Doc - "No sir, mentally you are fine, we can give you drugs and focus on diet and physical conditioning" Biden - "What if I disagree with your findings and we still focus on diet and physical conditioning in case i'm wrong, and go without the drugs" Doc - "Well sir..... do you find yourself anxious?" Biden - "Not particularly, but my job is pretty stressful" Doc - "Well sir, there is a drug called Levodopa which we show helps with stress, depression, and anxiety. How about we get you started on that and because of your age we should continue to focus on your diet and excercise.... will that work" Biden - "Sounds like a plan" Then 4 months later you can have your communications team saying he isn't diagnosed or taking Parkinson medication. Very well could be wrong, but I definitely think my 'story' is more believable than what the White House said. A specialist is not regularly seeing WH staff at the WH but making POTUS go to Walter Reed to see him. As for his trips to the WH, there was recent legislation related to Parkinson's which would be an obvious reason why he might go. My cousin regularly went to the WH back when she was working for the government on climate change research. But that would have been the story out of the WH if that was the case, not this half-cocked 'oh we can't name the specialist that may have seen one of the thousands of people that work at the WH for fear of hipaa laws'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 18 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Still so much smoke related to this. I don't know why you think it strange that a lot of people are employed at the White House, and a lot of them are at pay grades where it's a lot more efficient to bring personal services to them occasionally rather than to have them schlepping around a half gridlocked DC, especially since some of what is going on here is mandated by the West Wing admin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Still so much smoke related to this. https://www.c-span.org/video/?533910-1/president-biden-heads-walter-reed-annual-physical-exam So POTUS goes to Walter Reed for his annual and per the White House correspondence relating to this, Biden gave permission to release the fact that he did see this Neuro doctor at his physical (which again was done at Walter Reed). But when a pilot on Marine 1 needs to see the Neuro, he just flies over to the WH to see his specialist? This is what i'm thinking, and in a weird way, kind of hope it's true as I want the person I vote for to be mentally fit for the job. I think his doctor was concerned he might have Parkinson's and he's been consulting with this specialist. Even if they felt he did have it (it's not like there is a bloodtest), I'm sure Biden wouldn't want them to put that on paper, once that's done, it's another battle to face. Then I imagine something like this: Biden - "so even if you think I have Parkinson's, once you diagnose me with this, is there anything to prevent me from my job" Doc - "No sir, mentally you are fine, we can give you drugs and focus on diet and physical conditioning" Biden - "What if I disagree with your findings and we still focus on diet and physical conditioning in case i'm wrong, and go without the drugs" Doc - "Well sir..... do you find yourself anxious?" Biden - "Not particularly, but my job is pretty stressful" Doc - "Well sir, there is a drug called Levodopa which we show helps with stress, depression, and anxiety. How about we get you started on that and because of your age we should continue to focus on your diet and excercise.... will that work" Biden - "Sounds like a plan" Then 4 months later you can have your communications team saying he isn't diagnosed or taking Parkinson medication. Very well could be wrong, but I definitely think my 'story' is more believable than what the White House said. A specialist is not regularly seeing WH staff at the WH but making POTUS go to Walter Reed to see him. As for his trips to the WH, there was recent legislation related to Parkinson's which would be an obvious reason why he might go. My cousin regularly went to the WH back when she was working for the government on climate change research. But that would have been the story out of the WH if that was the case, not this half-cocked 'oh we can't name the specialist that may have seen one of the thousands of people that work at the WH for fear of hipaa laws'. *Sigh* Here is the visitor log: https://www.whitehouse.gov/disclosures/visitor-logs/ Here is a Google calendar of Biden's schedule: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=cantymedia.com_62fqfmv1eejqs9hntbr6hof5kc@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York&pli=1 The Neuro's name is Kevin Cannard. You can see he visited the White House on January 17th. He visited Dr O'Connor who is Biden's doctor. Biden's physical was released in February. This is likely when Biden met with him. Per his calendar, he was at the White House. Dr Cannard was also at the White House on January 26th. Biden was at the White house. Maybe he met him a second time but Cannard met with Megan Nasworthy, liaison between the White House and Walter Reed. Dr Cannard visited the White House on March 28th with Megan Nasworthy. Biden was in New York. Dr Cannard visited the White House on November 17th with Megan Nasworthy. Biden was in San Francisco. Dr Cannard visited the White House on October 3rd with Megan Nasworthy. Biden was in the White House. Dr Cannard visited the White House on August 25th with Megan Nasworthy. Biden was in Nevada. Dr Cannard visited the White House on July 28th with Megan Nasworthy. Biden was in Maine. Dr Cannard visited the White House on November 15th with Dr Joshua Simmons. Biden was in Indonesia. Of the 8 times the Neuro visited the White House, Biden was there 3 times. We know one for certain was likely January 17th. Maybe the visit 9 days later was related. The whole speculation about Biden having Parkinson's was because a Neuro who specializes in Parkinson's visited the White House 8 times but Biden wasn't even there most of the time. There is absolutely no evidence he has Parkinson's and a well respected doctor said he doesn't. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 With regard to a “well respected” doctor, do we have one for Trump’s ridiculous physical reports? No. No, we do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 This race is a tossup. Dems need to get it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: I don't know why you think it strange that a lot of people are employed at the White House, and a lot of them are at pay grades where it's a lot more efficient to bring personal services to them occasionally rather than to have them schlepping around a half gridlocked DC, especially since some of what is going on here is mandated by the West Wing admin. They said Biden was only examined by him during his annual, I just posted a video of Biden going to Walter reed for his last annual. So it’s a regular occurrence for this specialist to see people at the White House that are apparently above POTUS’ pay grade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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