2024 Presidential Election thread

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

In more important news that Bill Maher's opinion on Vice President Harris,

Donald Trump said you won't have to vote again in 4 years. 

No one voted for the current democrat presidential nominee so I guees it a trend. 🤷‍♂️

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

No one voted for the current democrat presidential nominee so I guees it a trend. 🤷‍♂️

Really?  I did. 

The only trend here is you being a hypocrite and also a liar again 

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[mtutiger]

Why should I care what a coastal elitist like Bill Mahar thinks about anything?

[pfife]

Just now, mtutiger said:

Why should I care what a coastal elitist like Bill Mahar thinks about anything?

well he's not a senator so this isn't trolling

also he is one of the worst religion trashers ever which used to cause anguish here until it didnt

[pfife]

It's literally a lie that she's the nominee.   She's not. 

She's presumptive, but she's not the nominee.   Totally lying.  

In fact, there's literally nothing stopping anyone from trying to get the nomination right now.

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Really?  I did. 

You wrote Harris in when you voted for Biden? I am happy for you.

[Tigeraholic1]

Just now, pfife said:

It's literally a lie that she's the nominee.   She's not. 

She's presumptive, but she's not the nominee.   Totally lying.  

Wait wut? You flopped in 2 minutes?

[romad1]

11 hours ago, 1776 said:

What is it about straight answers to direct questions with you? It’s an easy question. 

Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering him on" but then I saw the people cheering him on.  His background in professional wrestling and his association with Playboy magazine were things I felt would be handicaps but the rubes loved him.  That scared me a lot.  It indicated that the base of the Republican Party was damaged.  I looked across the aisle at the democrats and they also seemed chaotic but there was always an appeal to reason in their sometimes-emotional responses to issues.  I started seeing the crazy manipulative messages in online fora.  I saw them in the firearms community which I participated.  You couldn't go very far without some discussion about the government taking your weapons.  Then 2016 came and I didn't love Hillary.  She is and always seemed like Richard Nixon in female form.  I voted third party in the 2016 election assuming she would win.  Watching my wife lose the first chance at a female president was shattering for her.  I grieved for her pain.  And to lose to such a hustling liar.  

We spent 4 of the most painful years with him as president.  I worked in a field where I engaged with presidential threats that crossed over from Obama to Trump.  The threats changed from unhinged racists ones against POTUS to unhinged racist threats against the people who didn't support "our president."  And of course you were around, so you saw how terrible he was on the World stage.  He hated our allies. He tried to create rifts where none needed to exist.  He actively denigrated alliances.  He curried favor with his benefactor in the 2016 elections Vladimir Putin, he leaked classified intelligence programs from the Israelis.   He empowered the rise of a warlike PRC and his response with some whack-a-mole tariffs allowed corrupt people to game them so that instead of goods being traded at value they were sold below value to a country like Argentina which then in turn pivoted and sold them (still under market value) to the PRC.  His response to COVID 19 was a nightmare of bungling and he created the conditions where statistically many hundreds of thousands more people died because they resisted the correct responses to a pandemic. 

Then the George Floyd response.  He didn't offer respect to the people angry at the murder.  Nah dog...i'm going to turn it into a cosplay autocracy where we have the Gadsden Flag-plated late model pickups bestrewn with NRA and firearms manufacturer stickers unloading their deputized Bureau of Prisons employee owners so they can don body army and face shields so they stand in phalanx on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.   Because that's what Lincoln would have wanted:  a protest turned into a bloody riot. 

(Irony)

So, that misery finally ends with the restoration of decency with a Biden win.  Oh, but Trump can't abide that.  He insists that Mike Pence carry out an end run on Democracy and install him for another term.  So, he gets his rabble to storm the Capitol and tells that group of intellectual heroes that Mike Pence is responsible.  And being a rabble they show up with a gallows and proceed to storm the building defecating in the offices of Nancy Pelosi.  She of course is also the victim of an assassination attempt later when one of his devotees arrives at her home and tries to nail her husband's head to the floor.  This is of course cheered on by Trump's cocaine-fueled son and his other followers because decency is for the other guys. 

Trump is eventually required to leave office.  He begrudgingly does but not before he takes cartons and cartons of highly sensitive classified documents to his Florida golf club/rental property.  These documents include details of operations and sources and methods.  Revealing the details will in fact lead to the death of programs and people who put their lives and well-being on the line to carry them out.  He is caught in this act and fights tooth and nail any effort to return the documents.  

Then Trump's friend decides that its time to rebuild the Soviet Union and invades Ukraine.   Because Trump is not president the people of Ukraine are able to mount a spirited resistance and they are able through the spirit of the nationhood and the support of the NATO alliance resist Putin.  Trump hates this because most of his fortune after his multiple bankruptcies was from Russia.  Trump is never seen as happy in public as when he is with Putin. 

Tweedledumb and Tweedleevil

Biden and his team have a competency about foreign affairs.  He rallies NATO and allows NATO and the EU to help the Ukrainians.  Their war grinds the once-vaunted (and believe me I at one time studied the Russian mil closely) armed forces down to where they are conscripting 60-year old men and prisoners.

Putin being Putin he arrests American reporters and others so he can use them as trade chips.  Trump deciding that he can ignore the Logan Act and says he can get these people out of Putin's jails because he has a special relationship and that he would end the war in Ukraine very quickly...because he would remove the United States from NATO.   Which his attempts to do so in his first term are very well documented. 

So, now we are at the stage where Biden is old.  He appears to have lost a step.  And the perception of that is as damaging as the reality.  So, his trusted understudy appears and she is everything that Trump hates:  female, African-American, prosecutor, Californian, a believer in systems of Democracy and the Rule of Law.  And for me the "two Corinthians" of an effective system of Democracy is the Rule of Law.   If you don't have it you are NOTHING.

I hope that bumper sticker of a post tidied it up for you.

[pfife]

Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

You wrote Harris in when you voted for Biden? I am happy for you.

Are you suggesting someone who voted for Biden didn't vote for Harris? 

Also why are you blatantly lying and saying she's the nominee?   

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Wait wut? You flopped in 2 minutes?

And you lied before, during, and now after that 2 minutes

It's you that doesn't even know the basic facts of what's happening in the nomination process and getting hurt tush over it

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[Tigeraholic1]

Just now, pfife said:

Are you suggesting someone who voted for Biden didn't vote for Harris? 

They are the same person? So confused... 

[pfife]

so LOLIC, are you for bashing religion, or against it?

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

They are the same person? So confused... 

Feigned ignorance.   

They were both senators so you're trolling, per your own standard.   Hypocrite.

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[Motor City Sonics]

14 minutes ago, pfife said:

In more important news that Bill Maher's opinion on Vice President Harris,

Donald Trump said you won't have to vote again in 4 years. 

Maher gets better ratings if Trump wins.   Remember that.    Just like Limbaugh needed Clinton.     And Maher is anti-vax, so he's an idiot.  

 

If Biden was dead, they'd already be championing Harris as the first female President and having the tag President Harris would actually help in the election. 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

so LOLIC, are you for bashing religion, or against it?

Again, so confused voting for Biden is bashing religion? 

[pfife]

Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

Again, so confused voting for Biden is bashing religion? 

[Motor City Sonics]

14 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

No one voted for the current democrat presidential nominee so I guees it a trend. 🤷‍♂️

Primaries are kind of meaningless.   Hubert Humphrey got the nomination in 1968 even though Eugene McCarthy won a lot more primaries and had more delegates going into the convention

In 1988 Jessie Jackson won the Michigan Primary, but the delegates did not go to him in the end.   

It's a Dog & Pony show meant to weed out the candidates the establishment doesn't like, even if they are popular.    States where Bernie beat Hillary in the Primaries wound up giving more delegates to Hillary.   \

The Democrats can nominate anyone they want at their convention.   Anyone can run against Kamala if they want.   

[pfife]

9 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Maher gets better ratings if Trump wins.   Remember that.    Just like Limbaugh needed Clinton.     And Maher is anti-vax, so he's an idiot.  

 

If Biden was dead, they'd already be championing Harris as the first female President and having the tag President Harris would actually help in the election. 

I would slightly quibble, he may get more viewers but I don't know that HBO gets ratings per se, and htey never release them.   I was listening to a pod once and they were talking specifically about how they didn't know how his ratings are.   They started doing something CNN from his HBO show maybe a year ago and totally Vance'd and they ended it.  

[Tigeraholic1]

18 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

And why the **** do I even need to explain myself to you?

Hey @pfife in regards to you religion questions. 

Edited July 27, 2024 by Tigeraholic1

[smr-nj]

16 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering him on" but then I saw the people cheering him on.  His background in professional wrestling and his association with Playboy magazine were things I felt would be handicaps but the rubes loved him.  That scared me a lot.  It indicated that the base of the Republican Party was damaged.  I looked across the aisle at the democrats and they also seemed chaotic but there was always an appeal to reason in their sometimes-emotional responses to issues.  I started seeing the crazy manipulative messages in online fora.  I saw them in the firearms community which I participated.  You couldn't go very far without some discussion about the government taking your weapons.  Then 2016 came and I didn't love Hillary.  She is and always seemed like Richard Nixon in female form.  I voted third party in the 2016 election assuming she would win.  Watching my wife lose the first chance at a female president was shattering for her.  I grieved for her pain.  And to lose to such a hustling liar.  

We spent 4 of the most painful years with him as president.  I worked in a field where I engaged with presidential threats that crossed over from Obama to Trump.  The threats changed from unhinged racists ones against POTUS to unhinged racist threats against the people who didn't support "our president."  And of course you were around, so you saw how terrible he was on the World stage.  He hated our allies. He tried to create rifts where none needed to exist.  He actively denigrated alliances.  He curried favor with his benefactor in the 2016 elections Vladimir Putin, he leaked classified intelligence programs from the Israelis.   He empowered the rise of a warlike PRC and his response with some whack-a-mole tariffs allowed corrupt people to game them so that instead of goods being traded at value they were sold below value to a country like Argentina which then in turn pivoted and sold them (still under market value) to the PRC.  His response to COVID 19 was a nightmare of bungling and he created the conditions where statistically many hundreds of thousands more people died because they resisted the correct responses to a pandemic. 

Then the George Floyd response.  He didn't offer respect to the people angry at the murder.  Nah dog...i'm going to turn it into a cosplay autocracy where we have the Gadsden Flag-plated late model pickups bestrewn with NRA and firearms manufacturer stickers unloading their deputized Bureau of Prisons employee owners so they can don body army and face shields so they stand in phalanx on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.   Because that's what Lincoln would have wanted:  a protest turned into a bloody riot. 

(Irony)

So, that misery finally ends with the restoration of decency with a Biden win.  Oh, but Trump can't abide that.  He insists that Mike Pence carry out an end run on Democracy and install him for another term.  So, he gets his rabble to storm the Capitol and tells that group of intellectual heroes that Mike Pence is responsible.  And being a rabble they show up with a gallows and proceed to storm the building defecating in the offices of Nancy Pelosi.  She of course is also the victim of an assassination attempt later when one of his devotees arrives at her home and tries to nail her husband's head to the floor.  This is of course cheered on by Trump's cocaine-fueled son and his other followers because decency is for the other guys. 

Trump is eventually required to leave office.  He begrudgingly does but not before he takes cartons and cartons of highly sensitive classified documents to his Florida golf club/rental property.  These documents include details of operations and sources and methods.  Revealing the details will in fact lead to the death of programs and people who put their lives and well-being on the line to carry them out.  He is caught in this act and fights tooth and nail any effort to return the documents.  

Then Trump's friend decides that its time to rebuild the Soviet Union and invades Ukraine.   Because Trump is not president the people of Ukraine are able to mount a spirited resistance and they are able through the spirit of the nationhood and the support of the NATO alliance resist Putin.  Trump hates this because most of his fortune after his multiple bankruptcies was from Russia.  Trump is never seen as happy in public as when he is with Putin. 

Tweedledumb and Tweedleevil

Biden and his team have a competency about foreign affairs.  He rallies NATO and allows NATO and the EU to help the Ukrainians.  Their war grinds the once-vaunted (and believe me I at one time studied the Russian mil closely) armed forces down to where they are conscripting 60-year old men and prisoners.

Putin being Putin he arrests American reporters and others so he can use them as trade chips.  Trump deciding that he can ignore the Logan Act and says he can get these people out of Putin's jails because he has a special relationship and that he would end the war in Ukraine very quickly...because he would remove the United States from NATO.   Which his attempts to do so in his first term are very well documented. 

So, now we are at the stage where Biden is old.  He appears to have lost a step.  And the perception of that is as damaging as the reality.  So, his trusted understudy appears and she is everything that Trump hates:  female, African-American, prosecutor, Californian, a believer in systems of Democracy and the Rule of Law.  And for me the "two Corinthians" of an effective system of Democracy is the Rule of Law.   If you don't have it you are NOTHING.

I hope that bumper sticker of a post tidied it up for you.

Thank you, Romad.  
A stellar synopsis of our recent history and why we need to end any thought of a second Trump presidency.

[Tigeraholic1]

8 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Primaries are kind of meaningless.   Hubert Humphrey got the nomination in 1968 even though Eugene McCarthy won a lot more primaries and had more delegates going into the convention

In 1988 Jessie Jackson won the Michigan Primary, but the delegates did not go to him in the end.   

It's a Dog & Pony show meant to weed out the candidates the establishment doesn't like, even if they are popular.    States where Bernie beat Hillary in the Primaries wound up giving more delegates to Hillary.   \

The Democrats can nominate anyone they want at their convention.   Anyone can run against Kamala if they want.   

Well said MC I get that. 

[romad1]

We need to stop this

 

they do not get to rewrite the history books 

[pfife]

24 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering him on" but then I saw the people cheering him on.  His background in professional wrestling and his association with Playboy magazine were things I felt would be handicaps but the rubes loved him.  That scared me a lot.  It indicated that the base of the Republican Party was damaged.  I looked across the aisle at the democrats and they also seemed chaotic but there was always an appeal to reason in their sometimes-emotional responses to issues.  I started seeing the crazy manipulative messages in online fora.  I saw them in the firearms community which I participated.  You couldn't go very far without some discussion about the government taking your weapons.  Then 2016 came and I didn't love Hillary.  She is and always seemed like Richard Nixon in female form.  I voted third party in the 2016 election assuming she would win.  Watching my wife lose the first chance at a female president was shattering for her.  I grieved for her pain.  And to lose to such a hustling liar.  

We spent 4 of the most painful years with him as president.  I worked in a field where I engaged with presidential threats that crossed over from Obama to Trump.  The threats changed from unhinged racists ones against POTUS to unhinged racist threats against the people who didn't support "our president."  And of course you were around, so you saw how terrible he was on the World stage.  He hated our allies. He tried to create rifts where none needed to exist.  He actively denigrated alliances.  He curried favor with his benefactor in the 2016 elections Vladimir Putin, he leaked classified intelligence programs from the Israelis.   He empowered the rise of a warlike PRC and his response with some whack-a-mole tariffs allowed corrupt people to game them so that instead of goods being traded at value they were sold below value to a country like Argentina which then in turn pivoted and sold them (still under market value) to the PRC.  His response to COVID 19 was a nightmare of bungling and he created the conditions where statistically many hundreds of thousands more people died because they resisted the correct responses to a pandemic. 

Then the George Floyd response.  He didn't offer respect to the people angry at the murder.  Nah dog...i'm going to turn it into a cosplay autocracy where we have the Gadsden Flag-plated late model pickups bestrewn with NRA and firearms manufacturer stickers unloading their deputized Bureau of Prisons employee owners so they can don body army and face shields so they stand in phalanx on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.   Because that's what Lincoln would have wanted:  a protest turned into a bloody riot. 

(Irony)

So, that misery finally ends with the restoration of decency with a Biden win.  Oh, but Trump can't abide that.  He insists that Mike Pence carry out an end run on Democracy and install him for another term.  So, he gets his rabble to storm the Capitol and tells that group of intellectual heroes that Mike Pence is responsible.  And being a rabble they show up with a gallows and proceed to storm the building defecating in the offices of Nancy Pelosi.  She of course is also the victim of an assassination attempt later when one of his devotees arrives at her home and tries to nail her husband's head to the floor.  This is of course cheered on by Trump's cocaine-fueled son and his other followers because decency is for the other guys. 

Trump is eventually required to leave office.  He begrudgingly does but not before he takes cartons and cartons of highly sensitive classified documents to his Florida golf club/rental property.  These documents include details of operations and sources and methods.  Revealing the details will in fact lead to the death of programs and people who put their lives and well-being on the line to carry them out.  He is caught in this act and fights tooth and nail any effort to return the documents.  

Then Trump's friend decides that its time to rebuild the Soviet Union and invades Ukraine.   Because Trump is not president the people of Ukraine are able to mount a spirited resistance and they are able through the spirit of the nationhood and the support of the NATO alliance resist Putin.  Trump hates this because most of his fortune after his multiple bankruptcies was from Russia.  Trump is never seen as happy in public as when he is with Putin. 

Tweedledumb and Tweedleevil

Biden and his team have a competency about foreign affairs.  He rallies NATO and allows NATO and the EU to help the Ukrainians.  Their war grinds the once-vaunted (and believe me I at one time studied the Russian mil closely) armed forces down to where they are conscripting 60-year old men and prisoners.

Putin being Putin he arrests American reporters and others so he can use them as trade chips.  Trump deciding that he can ignore the Logan Act and says he can get these people out of Putin's jails because he has a special relationship and that he would end the war in Ukraine very quickly...because he would remove the United States from NATO.   Which his attempts to do so in his first term are very well documented. 

So, now we are at the stage where Biden is old.  He appears to have lost a step.  And the perception of that is as damaging as the reality.  So, his trusted understudy appears and she is everything that Trump hates:  female, African-American, prosecutor, Californian, a believer in systems of Democracy and the Rule of Law.  And for me the "two Corinthians" of an effective system of Democracy is the Rule of Law.   If you don't have it you are NOTHING.

I hope that bumper sticker of a post tidied it up for you.

I agree with Sue, incredible post.

[pfife]

 

 

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

We need to stop this

 

they do not get to rewrite the history books 

But when Hamas is coming we shrug our shoulders and move on.