2024 Presidential Election thread

[CMRivdogs]

BTW, lost in Trump's rant about not having to vote in 4 years was him admitting he's not a Christian. Not even a Presbyterian.

[pfife]

Have you considered not just shrugging and moving on?

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

Have you considered not just shrugging and moving on?

[The Ronz]

Great post Romad!

It is still shocking to me that so many people are quite simply that Un-American.

 

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

BTW, lost in Trump's rant about not having to vote in 4 years was him admitting he's not a Christian. Not even a Presbyterian.

He’s a devotee of dictatorship

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

[mtutiger]

38 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Maher gets better ratings if Trump wins.   Remember that.    Just like Limbaugh needed Clinton.     And Maher is anti-vax, so he's an idiot.  

 

If Biden was dead, they'd already be championing Harris as the first female President and having the tag President Harris would actually help in the election. 

In general, this era has made me very skeptical of people who mix entertainment and political opinion...

Like, I'm just not sure what makes these people (like Mahar, Jon Stewart, Rogan, etc.)  so special that their opinion on anything matters more than the random drunk at the end of the bar.

Edited July 27, 2024 by mtutiger

[pfife]

The random drunk at the end of the bar is undoubtedly less of an asshole than Maher.

Edited July 27, 2024 by pfife

[Tigeraholic1]

14 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

In general, this era has made me very skeptical of people who mix entertainment and political opinion...

Like, I'm just not sure what makes these people (like Mahar, Jon Stewart, Rogan, etc.)  so special that their opinion on anything matters more than the random drunk at the end of the bar.

All the mentioned above are entertainers. Did somebody think they are some kind of reporters?

[LaceyLou]

58 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path.  It started when I first saw him in a debate in 2015 and I thought "nobody could be this stupid and still have so many people cheering him on" but then I saw the people cheering him on.  His background in professional wrestling and his association with Playboy magazine were things I felt would be handicaps but the rubes loved him.  That scared me a lot.  It indicated that the base of the Republican Party was damaged.  I looked across the aisle at the democrats and they also seemed chaotic but there was always an appeal to reason in their sometimes-emotional responses to issues.  I started seeing the crazy manipulative messages in online fora.  I saw them in the firearms community which I participated.  You couldn't go very far without some discussion about the government taking your weapons.  Then 2016 came and I didn't love Hillary.  She is and always seemed like Richard Nixon in female form.  I voted third party in the 2016 election assuming she would win.  Watching my wife lose the first chance at a female president was shattering for her.  I grieved for her pain.  And to lose to such a hustling liar.  

We spent 4 of the most painful years with him as president.  I worked in a field where I engaged with presidential threats that crossed over from Obama to Trump.  The threats changed from unhinged racists ones against POTUS to unhinged racist threats against the people who didn't support "our president."  And of course you were around, so you saw how terrible he was on the World stage.  He hated our allies. He tried to create rifts where none needed to exist.  He actively denigrated alliances.  He curried favor with his benefactor in the 2016 elections Vladimir Putin, he leaked classified intelligence programs from the Israelis.   He empowered the rise of a warlike PRC and his response with some whack-a-mole tariffs allowed corrupt people to game them so that instead of goods being traded at value they were sold below value to a country like Argentina which then in turn pivoted and sold them (still under market value) to the PRC.  His response to COVID 19 was a nightmare of bungling and he created the conditions where statistically many hundreds of thousands more people died because they resisted the correct responses to a pandemic. 

Then the George Floyd response.  He didn't offer respect to the people angry at the murder.  Nah dog...i'm going to turn it into a cosplay autocracy where we have the Gadsden Flag-plated late model pickups bestrewn with NRA and firearms manufacturer stickers unloading their deputized Bureau of Prisons employee owners so they can don body army and face shields so they stand in phalanx on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.   Because that's what Lincoln would have wanted:  a protest turned into a bloody riot. 

(Irony)

So, that misery finally ends with the restoration of decency with a Biden win.  Oh, but Trump can't abide that.  He insists that Mike Pence carry out an end run on Democracy and install him for another term.  So, he gets his rabble to storm the Capitol and tells that group of intellectual heroes that Mike Pence is responsible.  And being a rabble they show up with a gallows and proceed to storm the building defecating in the offices of Nancy Pelosi.  She of course is also the victim of an assassination attempt later when one of his devotees arrives at her home and tries to nail her husband's head to the floor.  This is of course cheered on by Trump's cocaine-fueled son and his other followers because decency is for the other guys. 

Trump is eventually required to leave office.  He begrudgingly does but not before he takes cartons and cartons of highly sensitive classified documents to his Florida golf club/rental property.  These documents include details of operations and sources and methods.  Revealing the details will in fact lead to the death of programs and people who put their lives and well-being on the line to carry them out.  He is caught in this act and fights tooth and nail any effort to return the documents.  

Then Trump's friend decides that its time to rebuild the Soviet Union and invades Ukraine.   Because Trump is not president the people of Ukraine are able to mount a spirited resistance and they are able through the spirit of the nationhood and the support of the NATO alliance resist Putin.  Trump hates this because most of his fortune after his multiple bankruptcies was from Russia.  Trump is never seen as happy in public as when he is with Putin. 

Tweedledumb and Tweedleevil

Biden and his team have a competency about foreign affairs.  He rallies NATO and allows NATO and the EU to help the Ukrainians.  Their war grinds the once-vaunted (and believe me I at one time studied the Russian mil closely) armed forces down to where they are conscripting 60-year old men and prisoners.

Putin being Putin he arrests American reporters and others so he can use them as trade chips.  Trump deciding that he can ignore the Logan Act and says he can get these people out of Putin's jails because he has a special relationship and that he would end the war in Ukraine very quickly...because he would remove the United States from NATO.   Which his attempts to do so in his first term are very well documented. 

So, now we are at the stage where Biden is old.  He appears to have lost a step.  And the perception of that is as damaging as the reality.  So, his trusted understudy appears and she is everything that Trump hates:  female, African-American, prosecutor, Californian, a believer in systems of Democracy and the Rule of Law.  And for me the "two Corinthians" of an effective system of Democracy is the Rule of Law.   If you don't have it you are NOTHING.

I hope that bumper sticker of a post tidied it up for you.

Yes, very good post. I really hope you consider writing a book someday. 

[romad1]

32 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

But when Hamas is coming we shrug our shoulders and move on.

 

Please, if you wish explain the threat to Democracy here. 

[gehringer_2]

"We have to stop treating politics like entertainment" - Joe Biden

They should engrave that around the base of the Washington monument because it's maybe the relevant bit of wisdom for this age.

[Tigeraholic1]

Just now, romad1 said:

Please, if you wish explain the threat to Democracy here. 

[romad1]

1 minute ago, LaceyLou said:

Yes, very good post. I really hope you consider writing a book someday. 

Man, wow...thank you.

[romad1]

Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

Is this a threat to your ego or to the institution of Democracy?

[romad1]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

"We have to stop treating politics like entertainment" - Joe Biden

They should engrave that around the base of the Washington monument because it's maybe the relevant bit of wisdom for this age.

So much money to be made to allow the both-sides arguments in real time between blowhard from team A and blowhard from team B.

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Please, if you wish explain the threat to Democracy here. 

I will wait for you to give us your cubicle gov't employee dissertation. 

Edited July 27, 2024 by Tigeraholic1

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

[Motor City Sonics]

17 minutes ago, pfife said:

The random drunk at the end of the bar is undoubtedly less of an asshole than Maher.

Maher is just sore that he can't play at colleges anymore.    While I agree the Offended By Everything crowd is annoying as hell, not more annoying that 4 more years of Trump.       Yes, it's tough for comedians these days.        Maybe Bill can start playing to the Rob Schneider/Dennis Miller crowd.      

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Deep-seated fears of a Trump autocracy have led me to this path

Romad wins the Interwebs today!

(bravo buddy!)

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I will wait for you to give us your cubicle gov't employee dissertation. 

[Motor City Sonics]

3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

This is an insecure man.   The type that will never ever respsect women.   

So go vote for Republicans.    You know, the party that wants to erase Africa off of the Atlas (where exactly does the Atlantic Ocean become the Indian Ocean?    Seems like the differents would usually be caused by a large land mass but there is none, how odd).     The party that wants to replace the word "slavery" with "involuntary relocation",  the party that wants to erase Civil Rights.      Okay, go ahead.     All because you're afraid of women.  

Edited July 27, 2024 by Motor City Sonics

[LaceyLou]

23 minutes ago, pfife said:

The random drunk at the end of the bar is undoubtedly less of an asshole than Maher.

A lot of the drunks I've met started drinking because they understand what's going on. 

[Tigeraholic1]

8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

"We have to stop treating politics like entertainment" - Joe Biden

They should engrave that around the base of the Washington monument because it's maybe the relevant bit of wisdom for this age.

Speaking of our fearless leader. Does that white house have bed bugs or something? 
 

 

[LaceyLou]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

"We have to stop treating politics like entertainment" - Joe Biden

They should engrave that around the base of the Washington monument because it's maybe the relevant bit of wisdom for this age.

I've run out of likes for today! I wanted to expand on this with a mantra I once heard:

 

Stop. making. stupid. people. famous.