mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: When did Florida stop becoming a battleground? It’s been a battleground for the past couple decades and the margin in 2020 was the same as Michigan? Florida trended hard against the D ticket in 2020, although it can be competitive in the right circumstances (which may be possible given where things have been going since Harris was elevated). But in terms of tipping points, if Florida goes for Kamala Harris, in all likelihood they have already won MI/WI/PA/AZ/NV/GA/NC and the election. Given the centrality of those seven states and given the size and expense of both Florida, it's hard for a campaign, even one that has raised as much money as Harris has, to commit maximal resources to it without impacting states that are closer to the tipping point. I can see scenarios where it would make sense to spend a little money or even dedicate a few visits to FL or TX, but they cannot take their eyes off the ball (which are the seven states) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: They are chaos agents. They’ll move onto something else. That's true of some of them, but I think a lot of them are just dilettantes that are trying it on for size and basically just passing through. I think that's especially true of college age kids who have been freed to think for themselves for the first time, and they're just trying on different ideologies as they would new shoes. I am convinced the vast majority of them mean no harm, and some of the protesters probably couldn't articulate any real philosophy behind it. They just know tens of thousands are people in Gaza are being liquidated by IDF and that horrifies them, and really, I think it's hard to blame them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 47 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I feel like the Trump campaign has some dirt on Shapiro and are upset Harris didn’t pick him. Why do they spend so much energy on a VP candidate she didn’t choose? Yeah, that dirt is that he's Jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 theory was that a Shapiro nomination gets Trump Michigan. Saturate Hamtramck with neg ads about Gaza; and Trump pulls out a squeaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: theory was that a Shapiro nomination gets Trump Michigan. Saturate Hamtramck with neg ads about Gaza; and Trump pulls out a squeaker. If that was the theory, it's a really terrible one; a shift in Hamtramck would be wiped out almost instantaneously by a 0.5% shift left in Oakland County (which it seems likely Oakland will shift left this cycle again) Edited August 22 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I didn't say it was a good theory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: I didn't say it was a good theory That's fair.... it's just been sort of amusing this entire election cycle how people cannot apply any sort of perspective to the overall demographics of Michigan, especially since the I/P conflict broke out. For Trump, it's definitely all motivated reasoning / clinging to things to divide, no argument there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Of course this horrible person went there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: That's fair.... it's just been sort of amusing this entire election cycle how people cannot apply any sort of perspective to the overall demographics of Michigan, especially since the I/P conflict broke out. For Trump, it's definitely all motivated reasoning / clinging to things to divide, no argument there. Is the right term "deterministic thinking?" Quote “if x, then y.” It is the notion that if we do something (x), a particular outcome (y) is inevitable. Like it isn't even mitigated by tone, by other events. Humanity doesn't play a part to the attempted alchemy of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Good. Park giant video trucks all over NJ showing cops being beaten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I know that it's Ron F. sharing this and all, but JFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I can't believe anybody in Trump's campaign would have said that is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 They are admitting that "normal" people are lost to them so they are doubling down on the crazies and the weird and need to draw up their enthusiasm. It's a direct appeal to the fascists among us. It should be very easy to counterprogram that. It's all on video. And throw in the comments immediately after by Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 32 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I know that it's Ron F. sharing this and all, but JFC If you don't want to engage on things that involve them, feel free to ignore and move along next time. Rather than thread policing [/s] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Major celebrity, like T Swift or a Palestinian supporter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) Curious if it’s legal for a business to give out something of value to people that vote? example: If you show me a “I Voted” sticker then you get $2 off a foot long at Subway on the day after the election. Edited August 22 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 13 minutes ago, oblong said: Major celebrity, like T Swift or a Palestinian supporter. Guess it’s time to check that Taylor Swift flight tracker account and see if it is in Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 19 minutes ago, oblong said: Major celebrity, like T Swift or a Palestinian supporter. George W Bush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 19 minutes ago, oblong said: Major celebrity, like T Swift or a Palestinian supporter. the swifties will lose their mind when also considering that T Swifts plane returned from the UK 13 hours ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Guess it’s time to check that Taylor Swift flight tracker account and see if it is in Chicago according to the bluesky tracker version it landed in Nashville 21 hours ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Don't look now, but Harris is pretty close to 2020 benchmarks with Hispanics in Arizona... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, mtutiger said: George W Bush? That would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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