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If I were trying to create a commercial for maximum impact today: 

  1. don't: people are not paying attention anymore.
  2. go with the "it doesn't cost $60,000 to bury a ****ing Mexican"
  3. Trump's admiration for Hitler's generals audio from John Kelly
  4. General Milley calling Trump a fascist to his core
  5. Dan Coates "is Trump being blackmailed by Putin"
  6. Trump demeaning workers by cosplaying as one
  7. Jan 6 day of love
  8. Trump's lack of energy and falling asleep

So much stuff

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Why am I not seeing commercials touting the good things that Biden/Harris have done.    The stock market keeps breaking records, unemployment is extremely low,  we're the #1 oil producing country in the world now, biden is shattering records for dis-inflation. Crime is down, the number of illegal entries    They's doing a great job,  why aren't they highlighting more of this? 

saw this headline.  

Attempted border crossings dropped to the lowest level of the Biden presidency in September

At fewer than 54,000 apprehensions, the number is also the lowest since August 2020 during the Trump administration, and it is similar to September totals in 2018, 2019 and 2020.
 
Why aren't they highlighting enough of the good things?    Because it's boring?     WE WANT BORING !!!!!!
 
 
And now pop up ads appear in the middle of writing a post.    Infuriating. 
 
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1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Why am I not seeing commercials touting the good things that Biden/Harris have done.    The stock market keeps breaking records, unemployment is extremely low,  we're the #1 oil producing country in the world now, biden is shattering records for dis-inflation. Crime is down, the number of illegal entries    They's doing a great job,  why aren't they highlighting more of this? 

saw this headline.  

Attempted border crossings dropped to the lowest level of the Biden presidency in September

At fewer than 54,000 apprehensions, the number is also the lowest since August 2020 during the Trump administration, and it is similar to September totals in 2018, 2019 and 2020.
 
Why aren't they highlighting enough of the good things?    Because it's boring?     WE WANT BORING !!!!!!
 
 
And now pop up ads appear in the middle of writing a post.    Infuriating. 
 

The stock market keeps breaking records - Stupid way to define the economy, yet ironically it was the only thing Trump touted when he was POTUS and his supporters ate it up, yet somehow they are 'educated' enough to know it's stupid to define with this alone now..... and continue to ignore other positive factors.

Unemployment is a strong thing to run on, agree wholeheartedly.  When you talk "record" new jobs or "record" dis-inflation though, I don't think that hits home with most independents the way the left thinks it does.  Covid came out of no where and neither side was 100% right in how to deal with it and many of the things the left called for during it participated in record job loss and record inflation.  IMO, just continue to focus on getting out of Covid without a major recession.

Oil producing - I feel like it's the dems themselves that stifle this talking point.  It may surprise and sway an independent voters, but it could actually hurt the base.

Crime and Illegals - I know the numbers are down and truly crime is not the issue the right makes it out to be, but low crime numbers can be skewed, for instance from less police to take police reports or corporations that aren't even bothering reporting theft.  The easiest and most efficient way to fix migration is to destroy the economy, but that aside, Biden never did much to control the border until border GOP politicians helped ensure the entire country dealt with the economic difficulties mass illegal immigration and Dem mayors in northern cities began to complain.   I do feel Harris is pointing out that she is ready to continue what Biden was late to start, better late than never.

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8 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

What the hell

The US military is the most powerful force in the history of the World.  Our officer training programs are superior or equal to any in the World.   These enablers of the autocracy in service to the kleptocratic oligarchs are just beclowning themselves.  "Oh but ROMAD what about Westmoreland?"  Yeah, Adolph had his clunkers too

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30 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Full on pleas for fascism from a major news outlet. Good times. 

“…. That were Nazis, or whatever”

Are you kidding me????….  “Nazis, or WHATEVER” .

Son of a bitch.  Quite obviously, the problem is not solely Trump anymore. The problem is every one of these sycophants that will justify every hateful thing he says, looking to make it the new normal.
 

You can all go to hell.

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While I hope that we don't go as far as Germany, I do fear we approach Hungary and Victor Orban. Either way we can kiss our Republic goodbye

https://thecycle.substack.com/p/what-really-happens-if-trump-wins?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

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If Donald Trump returns to power, Americans should be prepared for catastrophic change.

In addition to his explicit admissions that he prefers dictatorship over democracy, Trump has centered his 2024 campaign strategy of mass deportations that he cannot deliver unless he violates both the Constitution and federal law to do so. 

He and his surrogates at America First and Project 2025 have also made clear that purging the civil service of trained professionals and replacing them with partisan hacks is a Day One goal of the Trump regime. In order to suspend or ignore the Constitution Trump can’t have a merit-based civil service. Instead he will need one that is loyal to him personally, not to the Constitution. 

I have read several “what-ifs” about a potential Trump win, all of which seem to assume the Constitution will be there to reign him in. Indeed, I heard Zoe Lofgren of the January 6th committee completely reject the idea she is vulnerable even though Trump has directly threatened to come after the committee’s members because it would be “unconstitutional.” 

My four year study into totalitarianism generally, and fascism specifically, has taught me two valuable lessons. The first is that the common thread among democracies that collapse into dictatorship is that no one panicked until the threat was already in power and it was too late. That is why I have continued to pound my Paul Revere-style “the fascists are coming!” campaign. 

The second thing I learned is that the constitution/law can only protect you if all parties agree to adhere to it. 

All you need to end a democracy is a leader willing to suspend or end the Constitution and a supporting cast large enough to allow him to do it. 

Republicans have both.

 

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28 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:


 

While I hope that we don't go as far as Germany, I do fear we approach Hungary and Victor Orban. Either way we can kiss our Republic goodbye

https://thecycle.substack.com/p/what-really-happens-if-trump-wins?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

I think your analysis is right here. We won't turn into Nazi Germany because he won't have a willing military to do so. If he had a willing and able military he would no doubt turn it against anyone he deemed unworthy or a threat to him. However, we will become an even more illiberal democracy than we already are, similar to what Orban has built in Hungary. We will have state propaganda similar to Orban via Fox News, Twitter, Breitbart, Tick Tok, and other outlets that he either has control over now or soon will. As well, the usual tenants of our illiberal democracy like the electoral college, the Senate, gerrymandering, the supreme power of the Supreme Court, and voter suppression laws and actions will continue to erode our democracy and democratic institutions.

We will be an eroding democracy like Orban has done in Hungary if Trump gets 4 years of unchecked power. If you're terrified of that like I am please, I implore you, to signup to volunteer with the Democratic Party GOTV operation. Visit www.michigandems.com/volunteer to sign up. You can door knock, make calls, and more to help get out the vote. Don't let democracy slip away!

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8 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Co-sign by ROMAD

 

Yes. We can be pretty much sure that a Trump administration wouldn’t have the will,  the knowledgeable personnel, or the contacts to do ANY of the footwork that would be needed to get the agreements throughout the world that Biden’s administration were able to do in this situation. 
That should scare everyone.

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9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

This is may be a dumb request, but from here to election day, would everyone be willing to change their avatar to this image as a show of solidarity? It would be really cool to see this in posts all across MTS, even when we're not in the political forum. 

 

I'm Voting For Kamala.png

I'm still undecided. I need to hear more about her policies. 

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colleague at work telling me Lara Trump put out a memo about some breaking story that involves the RNC et.al., alibing something Trump said as deep fake.  If anyone sees that post so i know what he's talking about. 

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7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

colleague at work telling me Lara Trump put out a memo about some breaking story that involves the RNC et.al., alibing something Trump said as deep fake.  If anyone sees that post so i know what he's talking about. 

Seems like they are trying to get ahead of something. 

 

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