Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: There's a lot of dismissal of this and the Waukesha mayor endorsements on social media this AM, but if she ends up doing better with GOP voters than expected (we will see), the signs will have been there in plain sight. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this many people of one party publicly support the candidate of the other party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrat Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) There was a very famous documentary series in the early 70's called "The World at War" In this series they interviewed a lot of the people in Hitler's cabal along with average Germans. The scary thing is, you could hear it in some of their voices, they still loved Hitler. Even after all the death and destruction he put upon their country. Cult of personality is real scary stuff. These Trumpers are the same way. I honestly feel that most of them are lost causes. It will take a long to time excise this disease of American Trumpism fascism. If he wins, it will be even longer. If ever. Edited October 24 by antrat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 17 minutes ago, ewsieg said: I'm not a huge fan of endorsements. I do think pointing out some major republicans voting for Harris is big, but when it comes to celebrities, I generally don't care, regardless of what side they fall on. Generally I think they are out of touch anyway and it's just word salad that they deliver their endorsement with. That said, I'd love to see this one seen by more people, well done. As a HUGE pro wrestling fan, WWE, AEW, etc. I love seeing a prominent pro wrestler like Mick Foley come out and do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 21 minutes ago, romad1 said: the next pandemic is right around the corner. This, plus it's going to take years to undo the damage to a lot of the departments that the Drumpf administration gutted or put people in place who would have liked to see that department eliminated. Don't even get me started on the damage that is yet to be seen as a result of weakening of safety/environmental laws and/or lack of enforcement of those laws. I understand that regulations often are opposed by business and manufacturing groups, and yes, the economy is important (in fact, natural resource programs often have economics courses as a requirement). I happen to believe there's a way to have a healthy economy without destroying the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 minutes ago, antrat said: There was a very famous documentary series in the early 70's called "The World at War" In this series, they interviewed a lot of the people in Hitler's cabal along with average Germans. The scary thing is, you could hear it in some of their voices, they still loved Hitler. Even after all the death and destruction he put upon their country. Cult of personality is real scary stuff. These Trumpers are the same way. I honestly feel that most of them are lost causes. It will take a long to time excise this disease of American Trumpism fascism. If he wins, it will be even longer. If ever. I had considered doing a paper on the value of The World at War as history. The Traudl Junge who appears in that interview is fascinating. Ditto the Albert Speer and Admiral Karl Doenitz interviews. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 In Germany, a lot of Nazis were either killed, tried and convicted, or fled Germany. Trumpets aren’t going anywhere win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 5 minutes ago, antrat said: There was a very famous documentary series in the early 70's called "The World at War" In this series they interviewed a lot of the people in Hitler's cabal along with average Germans. The scary thing is, you could hear it in some of their voices, they still loved Hitler. Even after all the death and destruction he put upon their country. Cult of personality is real scary stuff. These Trumpers are the same way. I honestly feel that most of them are lost causes. It will take a long to time excise this disease of American Trumpism fascism. If he wins, it will be even longer. If ever. In the 90s, I went on a date with a man whose parents grew up in Nazi Germany. I don't remember his exact words, but he said something along the lines of Adolph's accomplishments making him proud to be German. We did not have a second date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 10 minutes ago, antrat said: There was a very famous documentary series in the early 70's called "The World at War" In this series they interviewed a lot of the people in Hitler's cabal along with average Germans. The scary thing is, you could hear it in some of their voices, they still loved Hitler. Even after all the death and destruction he put upon their country. Cult of personality is real scary stuff. These Trumpers are the same way. I honestly feel that most of them are lost causes. It will take a long to time excise this disease of American Trumpism fascism. If he wins, it will be even longer. If ever. Carl Sagan (and others) predicted a lot of what we are living through 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 again "We've arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces. Who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don't know anything about it?" "Science is more than a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking. A way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we're up for grabs for the next charlatan, political or religious, who comes ambling along." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: again "We've arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces. Who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don't know anything about it?" "Science is more than a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking. A way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we're up for grabs for the next charlatan, political or religious, who comes ambling along." Yet another reason to make sure people get out and vote. We know that it is often the people who are swayed by bad information that go out and vote, while the more informed people become discouraged and stay home. Edited October 24 by LaceyLou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 "He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless" Van Jones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Ronz Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 39 minutes ago, antrat said: There was a very famous documentary series in the early 70's called "The World at War" In this series they interviewed a lot of the people in Hitler's cabal along with average Germans. The scary thing is, you could hear it in some of their voices, they still loved Hitler. Even after all the death and destruction he put upon their country. Cult of personality is real scary stuff. These Trumpers are the same way. I honestly feel that most of them are lost causes. It will take a long to time excise this disease of American Trumpism fascism. If he wins, it will be even longer. If ever. Exactly this. America as we knew it ended November 8, 2016. I believe Trump will win and the America we knew will be gone forever. What we remember as America won't even be in the history books as those will be banned. As Dr. Zaius said: You are right, I have always known about man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him, even himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: "He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless" Van Jones That hits the nail on the head. And... yet another example of somebody who doesn't seem to understand the role of the VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 10 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I was talking to my Israeli friend the other day. She lived here for several years, but now is living in Israeli. She left long before Trump was in the picture, but pays close attention to what is happening here. She is a psychologist who flat out said he is a psychopath (not that we needed confirmation). She matter of factly asked if I was preparing to leave the country. I'm not. I'll admit I've looked into leaving, only problem is I'm not sure where I can go since I'm not rich. Also some of the trends I've seen in Europe, even with my casual look at international news, is cause for concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 5 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: I'll admit I've looked into leaving, only problem is I'm not sure where I can go since I'm not rich. Also some of the trends I've seen in Europe, even with my casual look at international news, is cause for concern. My grandparents were born in Italy and I’ve looked into it but it took too much effort. I may revisit it if Trump wins. The goal is to get into the EU. Italy seems to be making a turn to the right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hongbit Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Leaving the country over politics is stupid. Stay and fight for what you believe in. It’s 4 years but it could end up much longer if people just give up and leave. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 16 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: I'll admit I've looked into leaving, only problem is I'm not sure where I can go since I'm not rich. Also some of the trends I've seen in Europe, even with my casual look at international news, is cause for concern. I don't expect it to get bad enough for me personally where uprooting my entire life is going to be a good solution. Every country has its problems and Europe is getting more conservative too. Plus, any problems we have here are going to spill over into the rest of the world unless we lose influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Regardless of US president, I always wanted to move to Montreal. I went there once and became smitten. World class museums by day and strip clubs at night. A truly magical place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 It's not the only, or even the most important reason I'm considering it. That said, for many it also depends on if it's safe to stay. There are an awful lot of people in Nazi Germany who were killed because they could not leave or did not realize the danger until it was too late. Unfortunately there were people who fled only to have those countries fall to the Nazis later, which is why it's important to choose a destination carefully. Some can and do stay and fight... others who are in immediate danger have to leave or be killed, and it is not stupid for them to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Regardless of US president, I always wanted to move to Montreal. I went there once and became smitten. World class museums by day and strip clubs at night. A truly magical place. It’s an amazing place. Very underrated on the list of great cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 3 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: It's not the only, or even the most important reason I'm considering it. That said, for many it also depends on if it's safe to stay. There are an awful lot of people in Nazi Germany who were killed because they could not leave or did not realize the danger until it was too late. Unfortunately there were people who fled only to have those countries fall to the Nazis later, which is why it's important to choose a destination carefully. Some can and do stay and fight... others who are in immediate danger have to leave or be killed, and it is not stupid for them to do so. I don't think we are anywhere close to a Nazi Germany situation where people have to fear for their actual lives. That being said, who the hell knows anymore, maybe you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Leaving the country over politics is stupid. Stay and fight for what you believe in. It’s 4 years but it could end up much longer if people just give up and leave. I wouldn't leave the country over politics which is why I am not thinking of leaving. Intellectually, this country is dead to me now. There is little interest among the masses in science or truth or any of the principles which guide my life. However, it is still a good place for me to live my day to day life. At my age, I would only leave if I thought another country would provde a significatly better lifestyle and I don't think that would be that easy to find. I guess I could reconsider when I am comfortably ready to retire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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