2024 Presidential Election thread

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Are we putting more stock into this poll and polling in general or early voting returns or both? What does the early voting data suggest from these PA counties that were highlighted in the poll?

[romad1]

 

[mtutiger]

Something is up in Wisconsin.... it's worth noting as well that Trump hasn't been in the state in two weeks and is not scheduled to visit in the upcoming few days either.

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Something is up in Wisconsin.... it's worth noting as well that Trump hasn't been in the state in two weeks and is not scheduled to visit in the upcoming few days either.

Wasn’t that the Clinton strategy? At least she didn’t call Milwaukee a ****hole city

Edited October 24, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Something is up in Wisconsin.... it's worth noting as well that Trump hasn't been in the state in two weeks and is not scheduled to visit in the upcoming few days either.

If Trump loses, there needs to be relentless talk about him not visiting Wisconsin. 

[mtutiger]

6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Are we putting more stock into this poll and polling in general or early voting returns or both? What does the early voting data suggest from these PA counties that were highlighted in the poll?

I have my issues with polling, but pretty skeptical of reading too far into early vote numbers (particularly as they are being compared to 2020).

Nevada is the one state where it has historically worked, but even there due to automatic voter registration (and the tendency for many of folks to register as unaffiliated), it's not clear how much we can glean off of that.

Edited October 24, 2024 by mtutiger

[Mr.TaterSalad]

6 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Something is up in Wisconsin.... it's worth noting as well that Trump hasn't been in the state in two weeks and is not scheduled to visit in the upcoming few days either.

Vance was just in Wisconsin last week and attended the Packers/Texans game.

 

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Vance was just in Wisconsin last week and attended the Packers/Texans game.

 

JD Vance isn't Donald Trump, last I checked.... in many ways.

Also, take a look at where Vance gave the speech (ie. Waukesha)

Edited October 24, 2024 by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

Trump will have had more rallies in the closing weeks in New York and California than Wisconsin. 

[pfife]

We should have kicked frances ass again.  Why did trump avoid france?  Thats weak

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

JD Vance isn't Donald Trump, last I checked.... in many ways

No, but the campaign is still putting in the effort into the state. In 2016 I don't believe that either Clinton or Kaine visited the state. though I could be wrong about Kaine not visiting it.

[Edman85]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Trump will have had more rallies in the closing weeks in New York and California than Wisconsin. 

If Kamala campaigning in Florida and Texas means they are in play, what does this mean?

[CMRivdogs]

This

There is no Trump moment without manufactured rage. Just wait until these sheep lose their Medicare. 
 

Hell right now they’re having fits trying to decifer Medicare Advantage. It’s simple, under M-A you’re screwed

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

No, but the campaign is still putting in the effort into the state. 

Where the main candidate goes and doesn't go says a lot.... ultimately they are the main attraction, not the VP (and certainly not JD Vance)

I'm not saying they aren't expending effort in the state, but from a strategic standpoint, it signals that Wisconsin is lower on the priority list, at least at the moment.

[CMRivdogs]

Perhaps the fix is in in Wisconsin with those crooked Door County politicians 

(Channeling my inner Trump)

[Motown Bombers]

9 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

If Kamala campaigning in Florida and Texas means they are in play, what does this mean?

I mean, internal Republican polling has Trump only +3 in Texas. Trump was only +5 in Texas in 2020. The state has been moving left for some time now. Meanwhile, polling in New York has Harris +20, and in 2020, Biden won California by 5 million votes. 

[romad1]

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[Motown Bombers]

9 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Where the main candidate goes and doesn't go says a lot.... ultimately they are the main attraction, not the VP (and certainly not JD Vance)

I'm not saying they aren't expending effort in the state, but from a strategic standpoint, it signals that Wisconsin is lower on the priority list, at least at the moment.

Guess that can be looked at one of two ways. Either they think they have Wisconsin in the bag or they think it's a lost cause. 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Guess that can be looked at one of two ways. Either they think they have Wisconsin in the bag or they think it's a lost cause. 

If they think they have Wisconsin in the bag, that's about as "reverse 2016" as it gets.

[Tigeraholic1]

42 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

I also wonder who’s going to do all those jobs Trump loving white people don’t want to do. Especially since those are the jobs Trumpers are claiming that “nobody wants to work anymore”

Remember when people complained that fast food workers were under paid so they demanded raises?

 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Remember when people complained that fast food workers were under paid so they demanded raises?

 

I was just at a McDonald’s with these kiosks and there is still someone working the counter. It’s really neat of both worlds because they don’t have to deal with customers. 

[LaceyLou]

28 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

If Kamala campaigning in Florida and Texas means they are in play, what does this mean?

It could be that they are also trying to get out the vote for candidates for the House and Senate. Both candidates will have an easier time if at least one is controlled by their own party.

[oblong]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Remember when people complained that fast food workers were under paid so they demanded raises?

 

I don't think that's a function of pay.  That's because there's an abundance of jobs at that level and retail workers can now have more flexibility in finding the job that fits their schedule and desire.  Rather than pay 2 people to stand behind a register to just input things into a register and ask dumb questions, those 2 people can make the food, clean up, gather the food, etc.   When I worked retail it was a pain in the butt handling a customer at the register because it took me away from something else I was doing, like stocking shelves or whatever.   People aren't out there crying because they can't work at McDonald's anymore.  They're working somewhere else, or they retired, or they realized after covid they didn't need the extra money it brought in. 

It's really no different than not having gas station attendents pump our gas.  Once they realize customers can do it themselves then why pay people to do it?

 

 

[Motown Bombers]

The margin in Texas in 2020 was the same as the margin in Georgia in 2016. 

[Tigeraholic1]

10 minutes ago, oblong said:

I don't think that's a function of pay.  That's because there's an abundance of jobs at that level and retail workers can now have more flexibility in finding the job that fits their schedule and desire.  Rather than pay 2 people to stand behind a register to just input things into a register and ask dumb questions, those 2 people can make the food, clean up, gather the food, etc.   When I worked retail it was a pain in the butt handling a customer at the register because it took me away from something else I was doing, like stocking shelves or whatever.   People aren't out there crying because they can't work at McDonald's anymore.  They're working somewhere else, or they retired, or they realized after covid they didn't need the extra money it brought in. 

It's really no different than not having gas station attendents pump our gas.  Once they realize customers can do it themselves then why pay people to do it?

 

 

Exaclty, eliminate overhead an automate. Pay the person that is now doing three jobs a living wage. Same with agricultue. My neighbor is harevesting beans right now, he is in the shop fixing a machine while his combine is running auomated via gps with no one in it.

 

Edited October 24, 2024 by Tigeraholic1