mtutiger Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Parts of Macomb and Downriver communities, where there are lots of non-college educated white voters, may continue to drift rightward though. Democrats can't become the party of only college educated people, we'll never win that way. We need a big tent with working class and non-college educated voters, folks with only some college or a HS degree. So there is a chance as Macomb and Downriver communities drift rightward that it negates or overcomes our advantage in places like Oakland and Kent. No argument there, and from what I can tell, the campaign appears aware of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 57 minutes ago, chasfh said: And replace him with whom? Who's better for billionaires than Trump? He is great for billionaires if they can manipulate him which seems not very difficult. They might not like him so much if his chaos starts to affect them negatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I'm putting my $$ on smaller non profit news organizations. Watch what your local PBS station is doing (or not doing). I've been surprised by organizations like AXIOS, especially with their small local newsrooms. There are a couple of small local on line publications who are attempting to take the place of newspapers who have been decimated or completely shuttered by corporate raiders. I don't know the future, they all may go the way of the do do or small market radio and newspapers. But one could hope I think it's ironic that the Internet was supposed to make news 'democratic' and free, but the fact is that driving the cost to zero also drives the quality and trustworthiness of the information to zero. We've seen that broadcast and cable news, which was always 'free' (i.e. advertiser supported) was of good quality as long as it was highly curated by the monopoly of the three US networks, but though it took a long time, that system has inevitably broken down, and value of broadcast news in total is a fraction of what it once was - can even be considered to be negative once you add in FOX. The best hope for the future is getting people conditioned to paying for their online news sources the way they always paid for newspapers in the past. Once you pay for it, the standard you expect from that source will go up, and since you are paying for it, the independence of the source to provide the standard goes up also. I am put in mind of this by the fact that today Reuters announced they are putting up a $1/week paywall. I think they are a pretty good source, I will probably pay it. Edited October 24 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Never thought I would see the day where this guy would be campaigning for a Democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 40 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Turnout in the big blue counties has been record setting so far. Here's hoping! 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 40 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: Earlier today I saw a report (is it weird from the WP?) that editors of the LA Times resigned after owners blocked their endorsement of Harris. Is it possible that Bezos is doing the same thing? I'm wondering if and how we can work to rebuild the 4th estate, consisting of media not owned by multi-billionaires and/or RW groups. Apparently the LA Times had a no endorsement policy over much of its history, and in the abstract I don't have a problem with that, but even if Soon-Shiong's motives were pure - and I don't think for a minute that they are, this is the wrong point in the wrong cycle to try to re-establish that stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Apparently the LA Times had a no endorsement policy over much of its history, and in the abstract I don't have a problem with that, but even if Soon-Shiong's motives were pure - and I don't think for a minute that they are, this is the wrong point in the wrong cycle to try to re-establish that stance. Just confirmed with the Hausfrau who pays this bill that Washington Post would be dead to us if they didn't endorse Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 32 minutes ago, romad1 said: Just confirmed with the Hausfrau who pays this bill that Washington Post would be dead to us if they didn't endorse Harris. They've already endorsed the Dems for House and Senate MD and VA, they (read:Bezos) would look at least as silly as LAT to withhold a Harris endorsement now. Especially since the editorial stance of the paper has already been strongly anti-Trump, their op-ed people like Rubin have even taking the liberty of laughing at the NYT's false equivalencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Interesting zip code map of individual donors. Macomb County is blue all the way through Sterling Heights. Dearborn still remains blue. Even in some of the rurals not a large disparity in Trump donors. See how your neighborhood is giving to Harris and Trump - Washington Post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TcFlint Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 I am a Harris supporter and 62. However, I am sorry, but the pit in my stomach tells me one of two things. Either I have an ulcer, or that Trump will win. Pray that I am wrong on both accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, chasfh said: I really wish we could go back to the MTS archives so I can see all the things I posted back in November 2016 about all the things I feared Trump might do as president, posts that were lambasted and dismissed as "Alarmist Non-sense", and compare them to what everyone else inside and outside MTF is saying today what they fear Trump will do, and see what my hit rate is. It's got to be over 50%. Maybe way over. What was dismissed was the level of right wing violence you predicted. There have been pockets here and there, but nowhere close to what you predicted. Not yet anyway. I think the next four years are going to be ugly if Trump wins, but the ugly stuff may be instigated by the left. I wouldn't blame them, but just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: He is great for billionaires if they can manipulate him which seems not very difficult. They might not like him so much if his chaos starts to affect them negatively. As long as Trump is shifting taxpayer money from government coffers to corporate coffers, they'll ignore the chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 29 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Interesting zip code map of individual donors. Macomb County is blue all the way through Sterling Heights. Dearborn still remains blue. Even in some of the rurals not a large disparity in Trump donors. See how your neighborhood is giving to Harris and Trump - Washington Post Look again—the colors are based on number of donors, not money. ZIP code 48089 is a good example. Hover over that ZIP and you will see Biden/Harris beats Trump ondonors, 171 to 129; but Trump more than doubles them up on cash, $20,000 to $9,000. This is true of a lot of pale blue ZIPs on the map. At least my home ZIP of 48093 is true blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: What was dismissed was the level of right wing violence you predicted. There have been pockets here and there, but nowhere close to what you predicted. Not yet anyway. I think the next four years are going to be ugly if Trump wins, but the ugly stuff may be instigated by the left. I wouldn't blame them, but just saying. Hey, man, it wasn't for lack of trying. Trump wanted to have his military shoot protesters in DC back in 2020. Esper was able to shut it down. Thank god we had some guardrails left at that point, but he wouldn't have any Espers in his administration this time around. Also, lol the idea "teh left" is the violent side. Unless by "instigate" you mean "teh left" instigates more protests. Because I don't know whether you've been keeping up with things, but the side I'm on is not the side with all the weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: Look again—the colors are based on number of donors, not money. ZIP code 48089 is a good example. Hover over that ZIP and you will see Biden/Harris beats Trump ondonors, 171 to 129; but Trump more than doubles them up on cash, $20,000 to $9,000. This is true of a lot of pale blue ZIPs on the map. At least my home ZIP of 48093 is true blue. That's what I meant. I'm not interested in the money but in the number of donors. I live in 48093, so I'm one of 251 donors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Just now, Motown Bombers said: That's what I meant. I'm not interested in the money but in the number of donors. I live in 48093, so I'm one of 251 donors. Thank you for your service. I would bet people running for office are far more interested in the number of dollars being donated over the number of donors donating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Thank you for your service. I would bet people running for office are far more interested in the number of dollars being donated over the number of donors donating them. People who donate are more likely to vote so Harris having a higher volume of individual donors shows more enthusiasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 That map got fixed since yesterday. I'm in the medium blue zip code that looks like a faucet filling a bucket. There's some wealthy pockets but also a college campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 I feel like I'm doing one of those ink blot tests trying to locate a faucet and a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Also, lol the idea "teh left" is the violent side. Unless by "instigate" you mean "teh left" instigates more protests. Because I don't know whether you've been keeping up with things, but the side I'm on is not the side with all the weapons. I didn't say they were the violent side. I said the violence MAY be instigated by the left. If we get a right wing sweep, there won't be much reason for the right to get violent. It will start out as protests, but protests can get violent. It won't sit well with a lot of people that the President atempted a coup four years before. Lots of people on the left have weapons. 20% of Democrats own guns, and it only takes a fraction of a percent to make trouble. But there is one reason we might not have much violence. Men are the violent ones and the majority of the men in the country will be thrilled by a Trump presidency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: Thank you for your service. I would bet people running for office are far more interested in the number of dollars being donated over the number of donors donating them. Of course they are, but if we are trying to predict who is going to win the election, the number of donors might be relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Interesting zip code map of individual donors. Macomb County is blue all the way through Sterling Heights. Dearborn still remains blue. Even in some of the rurals not a large disparity in Trump donors. See how your neighborhood is giving to Harris and Trump - Washington Post What I find a bit interesting is that my zip leans blue but Trump is close in donations. In my very old zip it's heavily Harris, (blue collar NE Roanoke, Va city) but Trump has about a 5-1 lead in donations. In fact every zip code I've checked the Orange Grifter has raised more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: People who donate are more likely to vote so Harris having a higher volume of individual donors shows more enthusiasm. I don't know, maybe. Money talks, though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: What I find a bit interesting is that my zip leans blue but Trump is close in donations. In my very old zip it's heavily Harris, (blue collar NE Roanoke, Va city) but Trump has about a 5-1 lead in donations. In fact every zip code I've checked the Orange Grifter has raised more money I know if you donate to Trump, they sign you up for recurring donations. You have to check out of it. I'm also guessing wealthy people are more likely to donate to Trump and donate larger sums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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