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22 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

Mayne I'm a little ****ed up, but, what's the practical problem at hand here? I know it's outside the norm, but what's the thing we are fearing? That the Trump army will overrun the White House before January 6 and have Biden and Harris arrested?

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JVL gets it right again RE Washington Post

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bezos-kills-washington-post-endorsement-guardrails-falling?utm_source=substack&publication_id=87281&post_id=150729926&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=false&r=45wcm&triedRedirect=true

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No one cares about the Washington Post’s presidential endorsement. It will not move a single vote. The only people who care about newspaper editorial page endorsements are newspaper editorial writers.

No one really cares all that much about the future of the Washington Post, either. I mean, I care about it, because I care about journalism and I respect the institution.

But this isn’t a journalism story. It’s a business story.

Following Trump’s 2016 victory, the Post leaned hard into its role as a guardian of democracy. This meant criticizing, and reporting aggressively on, Trump, who responded by threatening Bezos’s various business interests.

And that’s what this story is about: It’s about the most consequential American entrepreneur of his generation signaling his submission to Trump—and the message that sends to every other corporation and business leader in the country. In the world.

Killing this editorial says, If Jeff Bezos has to be nice to Trump, then so do you. Keep your nose clean, bub.

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We have seen this movie before.

The year was 2003, and the scene was Russia, where Vladimir Putin, still in his first term as president, had not yet let the mask slip.

Putin was carefully consolidating power and he realized that the same oligarchs who had supported him initially were also a source of danger. Their money and control of important industries—especially the media—gave them independent bases of power. And every autocrat knows that dictatorship only works when his subjects understand that the only power they may have is the power he grants them.

At the time, Mikhail Khodorkovsky was the wealthiest man in Russia. He controlled Yukos, a massive oil company he cobbled together from formerly state-owned assets. He had the kind of wealth and power that made him untouchable, and he started making noises about getting more involved in politics—maybe even running for office.

So Putin had him arrested.

You may not remember this, but the Khodorkovsky case was a major piece of international news at the time. In the West, people weren’t quite sure what to make of it. Khodorkovsky’s people waged an aggressive PR campaign on his behalf claiming that his arrest was politically motivated and that Putin was becoming a thug.

Putin’s side portrayed it as an anti-corruption move, since Khodorkovsky was no angel.

Here in the West, we were all still giddy over glasnost and the end of the Cold War. We didn’t want to believe that Russia might be plunging back into authoritarianism. So people mostly took a wait-and-see approach.

But the Russians understood.

Khodorkovsky was convicted and sent to a labor camp in the Russian Far East while the government confiscated Yukos and redistributed it to Putin’s cronies. Khodorkovsky’s money, his power, his connections—none of it could protect him from Vladimir Putin.

The rest of the oligarchs got the message. If Putin could get to Khodorkovsky, he could get to anybody.

And so the oligarchs fell in line and ceased to be a source of concern to Putin. Instead of alternative power centers, they became vassals.

Which is exactly what Jeff Bezos has just taught Jamie Dimon and every other important American businessman.

 

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Mayne I'm a little ****ed up, but, what's the practical problem at hand here? I know it's outside the norm, but what's the thing we are fearing? That the Trump army will overrun the White House before January 6 and have Biden and Harris arrested?

It would not surprise me. If Harris is leading come January after all the recounts, 1/6/2021 will look like a picnic in the park

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7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Mayne I'm a little ****ed up, but, what's the practical problem at hand here? I know it's outside the norm, but what's the thing we are fearing? That the Trump army will overrun the White House before January 6 and have Biden and Harris arrested?

Every transition since 2010, it says in the article. Not exactly a long-standing norm.

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6 hours ago, Edman85 said:

With a blue checkmark. Probably has some bills to pay.

I literally can't think of anything that would change any Trump cult members' minds at this point.  They could have him on tape raping a 10 year old boy, calling his supporters stupid, pooping his pants, screaming Glory to Allah.  It wouldn't change a thing.  

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4 minutes ago, Kacie said:

I literally can't think of anything that would change any Trump cult members' minds at this point.  They could have him on tape raping a 10 year old boy, calling his supporters stupid, pooping his pants, screaming Glory to Allah.  It wouldn't change a thing.  

Totally agree.

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For those wondering why "big business" would collaborate with those offering death camps - the capitulation of the Washington Post to Trump - who hasn't even been elected yet - should be your answer.

Big business always works hand in hand with Fascism.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Ever entertain the possibility that the accusations could be true? That there’s a life-long pattern?  

 

I have no doubt that he has been sexually assaulting women his entire life.  He has no morals nor inhibitions and has always had access to beautiful women his entire life due to his family wealth.  Why do people think he bought three beauty pageants? That doesn't mean that all the accusations are true, but it means I don't feel bad for him either way.  

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7 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

It isn’t fanaticism. It’s just both sides bull****. Under Biden black unemployment is at record lows, billions have been invested in HBCUs, insulin has been capped on seniors, and record investment in infrastructure in black communities has been made. Both parties aren’t the same. 

Black unemployment was very low under Trump too and it had little to do with either one of them.  

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I have no problem with the Washington Post not allowing the endorsement.  That is not the job of newspapers.  Their job should be to report unbiased news.  A stupid endorsement is not going to change anything anyway.  

I like Amazon Prime and will continue to use it.  

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7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Black unemployment was very low under Trump too and it had little to do with either one of them.  

It couldn't possibly be the billions in loans to black-owned small businesses or the billions in targeted investments in underserved black communities. I also forgot that Biden has prioritized cancelling student debt for blacks or the billions in investments in black farmers. The two parties are not the same here. 

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Trump is having a rally in Novi tomorrow.    This part of Oakland County isn’t his people but close enough to Livingston to possibly draw a decent crowd.    Can’t wait to hear what kind of insults he has for Detroit tomorrow. 

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 The two parties are not the same here. 

Of course they aren't.  They both have different groups of people they court and thus different issues that they pretend to care about.  Most of the Blacks I know don't think either party respects them, but they know they at least have a chance at status quo with the Democrats.   

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