2024 Presidential Election thread

[mtutiger]

29 minutes ago, 1776 said:

If you’re speaking of the most recent allegation that occurred in 1993, I find the timing of the disclosure suspicious. 

I'm referring to Access Hollywood, in which you said this:

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So that’s a crime? That’s just vulgarity and stupidity. 

So I ask again:

Forget about the law or whether there is a provable crime for a second - do you give him the benefit of the doubt in that you don't think what he said happened... happened? 

[smr-nj]

The original story was that another woman stepped forward to make a claim of a sexual assault back in the day. You can just out of hand decide that she must be lying, or you can take Trump‘s prior history into account, and at least put forward the possibility that this woman is telling the truth.

But somehow, we MUsT assume because she hasn’t come forward all these years, the ONLy possible conclusion to make is that she has to be lying.

That’s a pretty incredibly black & white world some must live in. 
 

 

[mtutiger]

Weird

[Motown Bombers]

21 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Watching the rally in Houston.  Pretty electric.

Impressive since electricity is scarce in Texas. 

[1776]

2 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Defending a known sexual assaultist, one who has bragged about doing so, yeah, that is about values. You are giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that deserves none. This is a forum, not a court of law, so whether it is ever proven isn’t the issue. It’s who you choose to defend and excuse.

Because I am not pounding on the table to condemn him you’re insinuating I’m defending him. I’m doing neither. My point stands, as I commented earlier and at the beginning (hours ago)… the latest accusation that allegedly took place 31 years ago and surfaces just 10 days before an election wreaks of the Blasey Ford production during the Kavanaugh hearings. So that’s my immediate thought process…it definitely gives the impression that it is politically motivated. 
 

[romad1]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Impressive since electricity is scarce in Texas. 

well, if you bring it...

[smr-nj]

5 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Because I am not pounding on the table to condemn him you’re insinuating I’m defending him. I’m doing neither. My point stands, as I commented earlier and at the beginning (hours ago)… the latest accusation that allegedly took place 31 years ago and surfaces just 10 days before an election wreaks of the Blasey Ford production during the Kavanaugh hearings. So that’s my immediate thought process…it definitely gives the impression that it is politically motivated. 
 

Excuse me, …… but are you under the impression that Blazey Ford’s  testimony was declared to be a lie? Why? Because Kavanaugh was affirmed?  

lol. 
yeah, okay.

 

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I'm not sure who watched it, but Kamala gave one hell of a speech on abortion rights and reproductive freedom tonight in Texas. Worth watching if you have the time to sit through it. 

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The left has been aching for political violence. Praying for a spark to explode. Now, the 12th round push to make Trump Hitler. I am sure this old, probably paid actor has no idea what he is talking about.

 

 

"Dirty Animals"... seems kinda dehumanizing, dontcha think?

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[1776]

10 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

The original story was that another woman stepped forward to make a claim of a sexual assault back in the day. You can just out of hand decide that she must be lying, or you can take Trump‘s prior history into account, and at least put forward the possibility that this woman is telling the truth.

But somehow, we MUsT assume because she hasn’t come forward all these years, the ONLy possible conclusion to make is that she has to be lying.

That’s a pretty incredibly black & white world some must live in. 
 

 

Again, 10 days before an election of this magnitude? And 31 years after the alleged event? Yeah, because I sat through the Blasey Ford fiasco, maybe I am a little cynical. We’ll see where it goes from here. 

[smr-nj]

and I will tell you that as a woman, I didn’t say a word about a sexual assault that happened to me until 50 years after it happened.

edited to delete my second paragraph, and to say, the hell with this.  Sexual assaults happen. Sometimes with witnesses, more often without… and because you know that the pushback and ridicule you encounter if you dare bring it up, often you just bury it in your own mind.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Edman85]

8 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

and I will tell you that as a woman, I didn’t say a word about a sexual assault that happened to me until 50 years after it happened.

edited to delete my second paragraph, and to say, the hell with this.  Sexual assaults happen. Sometimes with witnesses, more often without… and because you know that the pushback and ridicule you encounter if you dare bring it up, often you just bury it in your own mind.

Sorry this is getting dragged up by an ignoramus.

[smr-nj]

12 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Sorry this is getting dragged up by an ignoramus.

No, this is me. I brought it up. I brought it up when I saw a situation where another woman is just automatically thought to be lying or have other motivations because she didn’t bring it up 30 years ago.
 

this is on Me.

[mtutiger]

23 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

and I will tell you that as a woman, I didn’t say a word about a sexual assault that happened to me until 50 years after it happened.

edited to delete my second paragraph, and to say, the hell with this.  Sexual assaults happen. Sometimes with witnesses, more often without… and because you know that the pushback and ridicule you encounter if you dare bring it up, often you just bury it in your own mind.

Thank you for sharing even though it must be difficult to share even now.

It's a different ball of wax, but from my own life, I experienced mental abuse at home... I would open up about it, one thing that I learned as a young age is that it could be difficult to convey what happened at home to the guidance counselor at school, or that while he may have even believed me at times there ultimately was little he could do from his position.

All of this is to say that the power dynamics in these situations can be really hard for the victims.... and I couldn't even imagine how bad the power dynamics would be if one got mixed up with someone in a powerful position in society like DJT.

Edited October 26 by mtutiger

[romad1]

48 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not sure who watched it, but Kamala gave one hell of a speech on abortion rights and reproductive freedom tonight in Texas. Worth watching if you have the time to sit through it. 

Concur

[romad1]

18 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Thank you for sharing even though it must be difficult to share even now.

It's a different ball of wax, but from my own life, I experienced mental abuse at home... I would open up about it, one thing that I learned as a young age is that it could be difficult to convey what happened at home to the guidance counselor at school, or that while he may have even believed me at times there ultimately was little he could do from his position.

All of this is to say that the power dynamics in these situations can be really hard for the victims.... and I couldn't even imagine how bad the power dynamics would be if one got mixed up with someone in a powerful position in society like DJT.

And...his run is all about embracing and buttressing those power dynamics because ... reasons.

[romad1]

 

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, 1776 said:

The burden of proof is required to find a person guilty, is it not?

 

Not in the court of public opinion. Out here, it’s preponderance of the evidence.

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, smr-nj said:

and I will tell you that as a woman, I didn’t say a word about a sexual assault that happened to me until 50 years after it happened.

edited to delete my second paragraph, and to say, the hell with this.  Sexual assaults happen. Sometimes with witnesses, more often without… and because you know that the pushback and ridicule you encounter if you dare bring it up, often you just bury it in your own mind.

I didn’t tell anyone an old man on my paper route shoved his hand down my pants to fondle me while I was collecting for the Free Press until decades after that happened, so, I can kind of relate. 

[Tiger337]

9 hours ago, 1776 said:

Again, 10 days before an election of this magnitude? And 31 years after the alleged event? Yeah, because I sat through the Blasey Ford fiasco, maybe I am a little cynical. We’ll see where it goes from here. 

They don't bring it up until years later because they fear they won't be believed and that they'll get mocked.  And people that do believe them with blame them for it.  

[1776]

10 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Sorry this is getting dragged up by an ignoramus.

If you’re referring to me? … this was a news item this week. Nobody “dragged” this story up. 

[Tigerbomb13]

10 hours ago, 1776 said:

Again, 10 days before an election of this magnitude? And 31 years after the alleged event? Yeah, because I sat through the Blasey Ford fiasco, maybe I am a little cynical. We’ll see where it goes from here. 

Have you even known someone that has gone through sexual assault? The mindset you have is reason #1 why so many women don’t come forward for a while or often never come forward at all. 

[Tiger337]

I didn't realize until recent years how many women have been victims of sexual assualt.  We probably all know people who have been through it.  The vast majority of men have never sexually assaulted anyone, so most of the attacks have been made by serial predators.  Because most men don't do stuff like that, they might find it hard to believe how common it is, so they think the stories are made up.    

[CMRivdogs]

11 hours ago, smr-nj said:

and I will tell you that as a woman, I didn’t say a word about a sexual assault that happened to me until 50 years after it happened.

edited to delete my second paragraph, and to say, the hell with this.  Sexual assaults happen. Sometimes with witnesses, more often without… and because you know that the pushback and ridicule you encounter if you dare bring it up, often you just bury it in your own mind.

My wife's told me stories of what might not be considered "assult" but at least harassment in her employment 40 plus years ago. She was a young radio reporter, back then it was still primarily a male oriented business. They are all believable, from jocks dropping trousers to get a reaction while she was doing the news to well known personalities groping her in dark hallways. She worked evenings, there was a culture of morning guys who "slept over" on potential snow storm mornings.

I can remember a couple of times stopping by another station where I was employed as was asked by the young woman who was on air to stick around because the contract engineer was there and he had a history and reputation on "hitting on young women". 

Back then going to management was basically useless, it was a good ole boys network. Outside of a "strict warning" or a slap on the wrist nothing was going to happen.