2024 Presidential Election thread

[LaceyLou]

24 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Quid pro quo

 

If that's true then there's yet another thing Drumpf is going to get away with. 😞

[LaceyLou]

48 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The Michelle Obama Kalamazoo speech is fantastic.  2024 Romad looks back at 2012 Romad and just shakes his head.

TBF, 2012 Romad had a much better candidate to vote for. While I didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I wasn't in fear for my country if they won.

[mtutiger]

I've never seen Debbie Dingell look this relaxed before a Presidential election... 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

TBF, 2012 Romad had a much better candidate to vote for. While I didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I wasn't in fear for my country if they won.

I wouldn't have minded Mitt for himself, but by the end of Bush II, I was already soured on the GOP in toto and have been wanting/hoping to see that party crash and burn completely enough so something useful could could re-emerge ever since

Edited Sunday at 04:19 AM by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

If they were truly stifling their opinion staff, why have the following articles run? If anything else, this has allowed their pages to show more pro-Harris editorials and drawing attention to their opinions page to read them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/26/washington-post-endorses-kamala-harris-satire/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/25/post-editorial-board-wapo-endorsement-2024/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/25/washington-post-presidential-endorsement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/25/post-columnist-no-endorsement-2024-trump-harris/

 

It certainly has been a weird episode - weirder than at the LAT exactly because of the above. And of course if Bezos actually does think he has a deal with Trump that is worth more than a copy of the W. Post that's been rolled up and left out in the rain for a week, he's losing his marbles faster than Trump or Biden.

Edited Sunday at 04:22 AM by gehringer_2

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

TBF, 2012 Romad had a much better candidate to vote for. While I didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I wasn't in fear for my country if they won.

I consider Trump to be the enemy just like if we elected Putin.  McCain, Romney and even Bush were not even close to Trump in awfulness.  I still have hope that enough checks and balances will be in place in America to counter Trump if he wins, but those are eroding too.  

[Tiger337]

Apparently, the Rogan interview was a **** show like every Trump interview

 

https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1850255297379749993

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Apparently, the Rogan interview was a **** show like every Trump interview

 

https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1850255297379749993

The man’s fundamental ignorance is appalling. Pretty obvious that the people who say he won’t read anything are telling the truth. He has the knowledge base of a person who hasn’t read a book since 5th grade. 
 

And the fact that on countless occasions doesn’t seem to remember when he was president is about equally appalling. 

Edited Sunday at 06:51 AM by gehringer_2

[Mr.TaterSalad]

5 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I consider Trump to be the enemy just like if we elected Putin.  McCain, Romney and even Bush were not even close to Trump in awfulness.  I still have hope that enough checks and balances will be in place in America to counter Trump if he wins, but those are eroding too.  

I disagree about Bush. The Iraq War was one of his most obvious concerns, but there are others beyond that too. Bush's administration was a huge proponent for many anti-democratic measures. They pushed The Patriot Act and warrantless wire tapping. As well, Bush didn't believe in the normal checks and balances of the three branches of government with his support for Unitary Executive Theory. Bush was a threat to democracy himself. 

Edited Sunday at 10:32 AM by Mr.TaterSalad

[Motown Bombers]

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I disagree about Bush. The Iraq War was one of his most obvious concerns, but there are others beyond that too. Bush's administration was a huge proponent for many anti-democratic measures. They pushed The Patriot Act and warrantless wire tapping. As well, Bush didn't believe in the normal checks and balances of the three branches of government with his support for Unitary Executive Theory. Bush was a threat to democracy himself. 

Bush administration also went all in with political hackery in appointments, both in the courts and the cabinet. He had the most straight up incompetent government in my life time - worse than even Trump at many departments. Bush screwed up DOE, EPA, interior and the Park Service, not to mention the really big messes at AG with Gonzales and with his defense and intelligence services, and of course Alito - maybe the worst appointment to the court in history. Colin Powell was the only person in that whole admin worth their salt, and they cut him out of the loop when it mattered. (ok, John Danforth before he died)

Edited Sunday at 12:54 PM by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Swampy

To drain the swamp, you have to be of the swamp …

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Apparently, the Rogan interview was a **** show like every Trump interview

 

https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1850255297379749993

Anyone here actually listen to this guy’s pod? I haven’t consumed any Joe Rogan content since NewsRadio. Did he debrief his audience on the crazypants stuff, or is he totally on the Train?

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

And the fact that on countless occasions doesn’t seem to remember when he was president is about equally appalling. 

I think there’s a good chance it’s less that Trump doesn’t remember what happened during whose administration, and more that he totally remembers and he is merely rewriting history on the fly. Because how many times have we seen red hats claim the same lies that Trump does even after clear debunkings? It getting to the point where we don’t even express mild objections anymore because the world is taking a Trump-will-be-Trump attitude to him.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I disagree about Bush. The Iraq War was one of his most obvious concerns, but there are others beyond that too. Bush's administration was a huge proponent for many anti-democratic measures. They pushed The Patriot Act and warrantless wire tapping. As well, Bush didn't believe in the normal checks and balances of the three branches of government with his support for Unitary Executive Theory. Bush was a threat to democracy himself. 

Right. Without the groundwork laid by Bush, and also by Gingrich and daddy and Reagan before him—not to mention Limbaugh throughout—we don’t get Trump at this moment.

[romad1]

I never found George Carlin particularly funny.   I think I was in the educated middle class and he seemed to appeal to a slighter lower-brow audience.  This person using his likeness for his avatar seems to have encapsulated my feelings about this election well.   I know oligarchs always get their way because cash is king but the overtness of it in this election and their complete flouting of the rules of nobless oblige just makes me so angry.   They are fighting so the Weinsteins and Trump and whoever else can sexually abuse your daughter and get away with it.   They are fighting using the ignorant to install their puppet Trump so they can cut deals with Saudi Arabia, China and Russia so they can get richer and more powerful.  They want to install one of their own governor of Mars and get richer off the proceeds. 

 

[romad1]

Good job Liz

 

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I never found George Carlin particularly funny.   I think I was in the educated middle class and he seemed to appeal to a slighter lower-brow audience.  This person using his likeness for his avatar seems to have encapsulated my feelings about this election well.   I know oligarchs always get their way because cash is king but the overtness of it in this election and their complete flouting of the rules of nobless oblige just makes me so angry.   They are fighting so the Weinsteins and Trump and whoever else can sexually abuse your daughter and get away with it.   They are fighting using the ignorant to install their puppet Trump so they can cut deals with Saudi Arabia, China and Russia so they can get richer and more powerful.  They want to install one of their own governor of Mars and get richer off the proceeds. 

 

I think George Carlin was the best comedian ever.   

[Tiger337]

20 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Right. Without the groundwork laid by Bush, and also by Gingrich and daddy and Reagan before him—not to mention Limbaugh throughout—we don’t get Trump at this moment.

Without the left demonizing previous Republican Presidents and constantly pushing political correctness, Trump doesn't get normalized so easily.  

[romad1]

21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Without the left demonizing previous Republican Presidents and constantly pushing political correctness, Trump doesn't get normalized so easily.  

This is probably true and the Left that doesn't fail in assessing the scale or category of what is different about Reagan, Bush and Trump might still miss what was so corrupt about Clinton but not Obama.  All of the previous POTUS (POTUSi?) were better about having respect to at least some degree for the norms. 

 

[Hongbit]

31 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I never found George Carlin particularly funny.   I think I was in the educated middle class and he seemed to appeal to a slighter lower-brow audience.  This person using his likeness for his avatar seems to have encapsulated my feelings about this election well.   I know oligarchs always get their way because cash is king but the overtness of it in this election and their complete flouting of the rules of nobless oblige just makes me so angry.   They are fighting so the Weinsteins and Trump and whoever else can sexually abuse your daughter and get away with it.   They are fighting using the ignorant to install their puppet Trump so they can cut deals with Saudi Arabia, China and Russia so they can get richer and more powerful.  They want to install one of their own governor of Mars and get richer off the proceeds. 

 

Why did you have to go ruin a great post with those god awful first two sentences.   

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Why did you have to go ruin a great post with those god awful first two sentences.   

Its my truth.

[1776]

51 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I think George Carlin was the best comedian ever.   

His video on politicians is completely accurate. “Garbage in, garbage out” is his description of election cycles. Regardless of the outcomes next month, this has never been a truer statement. 

[chasfh]

57 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Without the left demonizing previous Republican Presidents and constantly pushing political correctness, Trump doesn't get normalized so easily.  

I'd be interested in examples of (1) the left demonizing previous Republican Presidents, and (2) political correctness that they have constantly pushed. Not a whole slew of examples—maybe two examples for each. I want to understand what your bar is.

[1776]

59 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Good job Liz

 

I’ll be interested in seeing where Cheney ends up after the election. Opposing Trump’s actions and speaking out were things I could support. She has now morphed into a shill for Harris and the DNC. How does supporting Harris’ agenda move conservatism forward, if in fact she was a true conservative at the outset of her political career? She voted as one. I know she pissed all the MAGA’s off, fine. There are moderate conservatives out here that are looking for leadership going forward that has nothing to do with MAGA. Again, I’d be interested in seeing where, or who she is, a year out.