2024 Presidential Election thread

[gehringer_2]

51 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

With respect to Detroit, it isn't L. Brooks Patterson's Oakland County anymore... People dont necessarily harbor the same animosities that they used to,

Right - It takes two to tango and the exit of both Patterson and Coleman Young leaves a completely different public dynamic at work. For every suburbanite who hates the city, there is at least one more who pulls for its recovery. And as a practical matter, the resolution of the city's bankruptcy has gotten the city out of the news cycle as an economic crisis hanging over the state where it was for a couple of decades.

Edited October 27, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Elon Musk is repugnant. I can't believe this is his PACs closing message to voters. Disgusting ****.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Mr.TaterSalad

[CMRivdogs]

45 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I'll say this: if you are conservative in a swing state longing for a new and improved GOP after this, especially knowing that Kamala Harris will in all likelihood be constrained by a GOP Senate...

What is there to lose? On a purely pragmatic level, how isn't the choice obvious?

That was pretty much the argument I made to my sister in a conversation. She doesn't want to vote for Trump (I'm assuming she's a two time voter, I know her husband is) but wasn't sure what she'd get from Harris. I pointed out that it was likely to be Republican majorities in both the House and Senate and she'd like be constrained. I'm hoping my argument worked. He husband is a lost cause, definitely a good ole boy who is very proud of his "Appalachian" accent.  

[gehringer_2]

54 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Oh, I fully see how they characterize centrist Democrats as begin "far left", and it drives me bonkers. It's all branding and it works with their base. But it's not true, and I don't know why Democrats don't address it it in a more visible way, because by appearing to ignore it, they're ceding that point to Republicans, and that hurts the Democratic Party with the middle.

I think there are two dynamics at work. The first is that not only a little craziness but also a lot of energy exist as you move away from the milquetoast middle, and you if you can help it you don't want to lose that energy by repudiating/driving those folks away. I think the other is that even among some centrist Democratic leaders (though certainly not Biden), there is more intellectual alignment with the fringes in their hearts than they ever own to because they know they must not. (and to be clear, I think this is true of both sides)

[CMRivdogs]

As a side, my son sent pictures of the line at his Westland precinct today. Very impressive. I also love the "I voted stickers" Michigan is using, he picked up the entire set since on one was manning the table. 

[CMRivdogs]

I thought this was billed as a policy speech. The whole party is unhinged

Edited October 27, 2024 by CMRivdogs

[Motown Bombers]

I early voted yesterday and it took about 25 minutes. Line got longer when I left. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

So the Trump campaign and their prominent surrogates closing messages are that America is a trash can, Puerto Rico is full of garbage people, the Congo is sending criminals here to attack our way of life, the election might or might not be stolen depending on who wins, Kamala is for they/them trans people, and she's also a c***.

I don't know what to say other that please go out and vote. Please get everyone you know to go out and vote. 

[mtutiger]

32 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

That was pretty much the argument I made to my sister in a conversation. She doesn't want to vote for Trump (I'm assuming she's a two time voter, I know her husband is) but wasn't sure what she'd get from Harris. I pointed out that it was likely to be Republican majorities in both the House and Senate and she'd like be constrained. I'm hoping my argument worked. He husband is a lost cause, definitely a good ole boy who is very proud of his "Appalachian" accent.  

I don't know what the future is for the GOP if he loses... I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like if he wins.

If someone doesn't like the direction he's taking the party right now, this is the moment of choosing.

[The Ronz]

7 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

If someone doesn't like the direction he's taking the party right now, this is the moment of choosing.

That's the misunderstanding.

They like the way he is taking the party.

Almost all the people I know who are now Trump voters were one time Democrats, Perot voters, Nader voters, Libertarians, apolitical, non-voters, etc.

Hell, some even voted for Gus Hall.

As soon as Trump expressed his racism openly, they all found their candidate. 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by The Ronz

[mtutiger]

8 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

That's the misunderstanding.

They like the way he is taking the party.

Again, the message isn't for those who are even voting for the guy... It's for everyone else 

[romad1]

 

NO

[The Ronz]

Didn't Trump actually do this already?

I believe Jared Kushner was rejected for security clearance and Trumped ordered that Kushner have it and it was granted.

[pfife]

^^^ I remember that too

[Motown Bombers]

Trump only +4 with registered voters in Alaska.

 

[mtutiger]

Yeah, sure, okay

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Yeah, sure, okay

I am surprised they said that.  Danielle Alvarez will be fired this week.  

[mtutiger]

All behind the "Trump-Vance" banner.... all of it.

[gehringer_2]

there was time I thought it absurd that the Trump campaign would kill a couple of people to get re-elected, but after the last two weeks I really don't have a doubt left they would.

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Right - It takes two to tango and the exit of both Patterson and Coleman Young leaves a completely different public dynamic at work. For every suburbanite who hates the city, there is at least one more who pulls for its recovery. And as a practical matter, the resolution of the city's bankruptcy has gotten the city out of the news cycle as an economic crisis hanging over the state where it was for a couple of decades.

Also, its just attrition.... the Pattersons and Youngs are all dead and buried at this point, along with at least some of the people who populated Oakland County and Detroit during their terms. The suburbs of any city, be it Detroit, Philly, Milwaukee, Chicago, wherever, are now populated much more with people who the grievances of the past don't register. Not totally, but they are different and they are changing...

With respect to Michigan, I really think Donald Trump ****ed up when he came to the Detroit Economic Club and took a big giant dump on the city. And wouldn't be surprised why (though polling is close) that Michigan seems to be drifting toward being Harris' best swing state. 

(And perhaps why Debbie Dingell, a person who is never relaxed before an election, was playing beer pong yesteday)

Edited October 28, 2024 by mtutiger

[pfife]

that "comedian" was on College Game Day a couple weeks ago and he was making a bunch of homophobic jokes.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Democrats need to tone down the rhetoric don't ya know.

 

[Tiger337]

LOL, MTB was right..

 

[mtutiger]

Where did they find this guy? Unreal