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5 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

Perhaps one reason Drumpf and company wanted people to vote early. 

Because he wants to flip the 2020 experience back on the Democrats, the experience of leading early on election night and then he comes back and "steals" the election once the early votes are counted in. I think it's that base level of revenge he's looking for.

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5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

As is usual, I can see the election being half a loaf. Trump will lose but it will close enough that he won't go away and the GOP will remain in his thrall. So hopefully the courts have the cajones to put him in jail, or he shuffles off this mortal coil before 2028.

The only fly in this ointment of a scenario is that, if Trump dies in a state of grace with the base, he dies a martyr, he becomes a saint to the movement, and the charlatans who were in his inner circle at any point will jockey for power to become the new leaders of that movement, and it might work because anyone who was close to Trump would be akin to being an apostle. Hell, it might even be Junior. The inheritors don't have to share his unique brand of charisma. They will need only to have been within his inner circle to qualify. And who knows, there might even be a bit of internecine murder at the top, a la Trotsky or Röhm, which would be a total bonus.

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This doesn't seem like a great message to be sending to potential voters a week before the election. 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kaboom-elon-musk-predicts-hardship-economic-turmoil-and-a-stock-market-crash-if-trump-wins-20483008?mod=home-page

"Billionaire Musk, Trump’s would-be budget-cutting and government-efficiency czar, also says there will be “no special cases” and “no exceptions” when he starts slashing federal spending after Trump takes office."

"And he predicts he will need “a lot of security” personally because of the likely reaction to his policy moves."

"Musk promised deep federal budget cuts, austerity and economic pain ahead in a new Trump administration."

“We have to reduce spending to live within our means,” Musk said. “That necessarily involves some temporary hardship but it will ensure long-term prosperity.” 

"On his social-media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, he went further and agreed with a supporter who predicted “an initial severe overreaction in the economy” and that “Markets will tumble.” 

 

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Just now, Tiger337 said:

I think if Trump wins, he is going to **** things up so bad with no reasonable people like Kelly, Mattis, etc to keep him under control.  It's going to be a miserable four years and then the Democrats will crush the Republicans across the board in 28.  Obviously, I'd rather not go through that though!

I'm too old to have to wait for that.

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16 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I think if Trump wins, he is going to **** things up so bad with no reasonable people like Kelly, Mattis, etc to keep him under control.  It's going to be a miserable four years and then the Democrats will crush the Republicans across the board in 28.  Obviously, I'd rather not go through that though!

IDK, I thought the Dems would crush the Repubs after Trump had ****ed it up for 4 yrs. All they did was dent them a little.

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26 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

We have to reduce spending to live within our means,” Musk said. “That necessarily involves some temporary hardship but it will ensure long-term prosperity.” 

Stupid rhetoric and not justified by the actual economics. The budget can be controlled without any where near that kind of Sturm and Drang. We are talking single digit percentages of GDP that have to be shifted.

But of course generating fake crisis is what Fascism thrives on.

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15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

IDK, I thought the Dems would crush the Repubs after Trump had ****ed it up for 4 yrs. All they did was dent them a little.

He didn't **** things up in the eyes of the masses.  If he is given free reign, it will be more noticeable.  

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