2024 Presidential Election thread

[romad1]

This has a lot of interesting thoughts on recent PA polls

 

[Motown Bombers]

12 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Sure, but my point is that a lot of these losses (to the extent that they further materialize) are already baked into the landscape. And again, this is a group of voters that, in totality, is significantly less than Biden's margin in 2020. A couple of point shift to the left in Oakland County, or a couple of more points of turnout in Detroit (which is a hydrogen bomb of D votes) would single-handedly wipe out those losses and thensome.

All of this is to say that if Harris loses Michigan, it isn't going to be because of Arab voters... it will be because she lost ground in other, larger parts of the electorate that make up the state. It doesn't mean that this group isn't important, every vote matters, but context matters as well.

There’s also room in Kent County and people write off Macomb but there is still room to close the gap. I still think Harris gets half of the Arab vote. It’s not like she is getting zero. 

[pfife]

By 2016, the Right had been trashing Hillary for 24+ years every which way and Magatown bummers can't bring himself to blame anyone but the left.  Total dip****tery

[Sports_Freak]

JD Vance is complaining that democrats have been calling the GOP rally at Madison Square Gardens, nazis. He seems pretty quiet about Trump calling the democrats radical socialists, nazis, Marxists and communists. Make it make sense. Is that base really that out of touch with reality?

[LaceyLou]

I just hobbled to city hall, bum foot and all, to do my part. Before I elevate and ice it, I just want to make a request.

 

There may be people who for some reason didn't mail in a vote, and who might have trouble getting to their polling place. If you can, please offer rides to people so that they can vote! 

 

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Considering Arnold's history (and how he came to this country and how he landed in the GOP), I found this really powerful.

Agreed. While I disagree with him on many issues, it's good to hear a Republican who sees the importance of maintaining infrastructure, as well as clean air and water. 

[The Ronz]

3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

JD Vance is complaining that democrats have been calling the GOP rally at Madison Square Gardens, nazis. He seems pretty quiet about Trump calling the democrats radical socialists, nazis, Marxists and communists. Make it make sense. Is that base really that out of touch with reality?

Yes.

It is a cult.

Those people are gone.

[Motown Bombers]

Trump’s margin in Michigan was 10k. Stein’s vote total was 51k. Those leftists really showed us with their protest vote. When is the revolution supposed to start?

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Trump’s margin in Michigan was 10k. Stein’s vote total was 51k. Those leftists really showed us with their protest vote. When is the revolution supposed to start?

Didja get those numbers from david duke polling, hoss?

Get a grip

 

[Motor City Sonics]

38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This is what they wanted but where is the revolution Susan Sarandon promised?

Stuck in a Time Warp

[Mr.TaterSalad]

11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Trump’s margin in Michigan was 10k. Stein’s vote total was 51k. Those leftists really showed us with their protest vote. When is the revolution supposed to start?

If you assume every Stein vote would have went to Hillary from the left don't you also have to assume every Gary Johnson vote from the right would have went to Trump? Gary Johnson got 172,136 votes in Michigan. If even half the Libertarian Party voters go to Trump instead of Johnson he still wins over Hillary.

[LaceyLou]

Jill Stein used to be involved in a lot of local issues in MA, working for environmental issues, worker safety issues, and access to healthcare. I met her once and she was very thoughtful and intelligent.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure she and Kennedy Jr. were exposed to the same brain worm, and I wouldn't even think of voting for her now. And if this is what the Green Party now stands for, then I definitely can't support it, either.

[pfife]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If you assume every Stein vote would have went to Hillary from the left don't you also have to assume every Gary Johnson vote from the right would have went to Trump? Gary Johnson got 172,136 votes in Michigan. If even half the Libertarian Party voters go to Trump instead of Johnson he still wins over Hillary.

wait he didn't cast *that* spell only the other one that he thinks helped him lose less worse in an internet fight 

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If you assume every Stein vote would have went to Hillary from the left don't you also have to assume every Gary Johnson vote from the right would have went to Trump? Gary Johnson got 172,136 votes in Michigan. If even half the Libertarian Party voters go to Trump instead of Johnson he still wins over Hillary.

Gary Johnson was polling at 6% and finished at 3.5% so Trump peeled 2.5% of this Johnson voters. If a fifth of the Stein voters voted for Clinton she wins and Stein over performed. The Stein voters got what they want. 

[pfife]

4 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Jill Stein used to be involved in a lot of local issues in MA, working for environmental issues, worker safety issues, and access to healthcare. I met her once and she was very thoughtful and intelligent.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure she and Kennedy Jr. were exposed to the same brain worm, and I wouldn't even think of voting for her now. And if this is what the Green Party now stands for, then I definitely can't support it, either.

I think she has many different stances from Hillary, Biden, or VP Harris and it's pure sorcery of convenience to just pretend her voters were actually someone elses because .....reasons 

Edited October 30, 2024 by pfife

[Motown Bombers]

Jill Stein is backed by Russians to take votes from Democrats and help Trump. Her campaign has literally admitted that. If you voted for Stein, congrats, you accomplished your goal. 

[pfife]

If trump hadn't turned one gagillion votes against hilary then she would have won so it's trumps fault

[Motown Bombers]

Jill Stein thinks there 600 members of congress. She doesn’t even know how government works. She only emerges every four years to steal votes. 

[pfife]

trump appears every 4 years to steal votes too but you can't bear to mention him

keep flying your flag

[Motown Bombers]

I see I touched a nerve with pfife. Must be a Stein voter. You got what you wanted bro. Be happy. 

[LaceyLou]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Jill Stein is backed by Russians to take votes from Democrats and help Trump. Her campaign has literally admitted that. If you voted for Stein, congrats, you accomplished your goal. 

I have never, and will never, vote for Stein-like I said, she used to be a positive force but something happened (and even if she hadn't changed, I still would have voted for Clinton in 2016).

I do know people who got into her simply because she was and is an echo chamber that says that the system needs to be 'blown up,' whatever that means. 

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I see I touched a nerve with pfife. Must be a Stein voter. You got what you wanted bro. Be happy. 

yawn

your stories are boring

[Motown Bombers]

[pfife]

lotta hunting and pecking on twitter just to avoid admitting you don't actually get to declare who anyone else would have voted for in order to lose worse in an internet fight 

 

[Hongbit]

It will be interesting to watch the difference in vote totals between Slotkin and Harris.   This should help to paint a pretty good picture of how the Arab American vote went here.    I can’t see many Arabs voting for Slotkin because she’s Jewish.