2024 Presidential Election thread

[Tiger337]

17 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

People ask why Trump is making this race even close are also shruggin off the economy as a factor. 

The economy is always a factor.  There are always people who are going to get screwed no matter what and others who will do great no matter what.  We've been telling that to you Republicans for years!  I just don't think it's comparatively bad now.  But let's imagine for a moment though that Trump was not a traitor, a fascist and an overall disgraceful person and was actually a legitimate choice for President.  What specifically do you think he can do to fix to improve a economy?  Eliminate the income tax and pay for everything with tariffs?  Deport 16 million immigrants? 

[LaceyLou]

51 minutes ago, romad1 said:

any of the (shamefully few) ladies on here able to confirm the stories about post it notes in bathrooms about your vote being secret from your husband?  

 

I will now post a dozen images of that french singer we used to like on the old board.

Hard to tell since I've been inside recovering from surgery for the past couple of months... but I think it wouldn't be likely here. After all, I'm in a blue city and that means men aren't men, right? Or does it means they're dangerous people who want to kill everyone in the name of wokeness? I can't keep that straight.

[mtutiger]

https://x.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1852424141804126448

Trump adds a fourth NC Rally in final 3 days (in Raleigh)...

They're apparently seeing something there.

Edited 2 hours ago by mtutiger

[LaceyLou]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The economy is always a factor.  There are always people who are going to get screwed no matter what and others who will do great no matter what.  We've been telling that to you Republicans for years!  I just don't think it's comparatively bad now.  But let's imagine for a moment though that Trump was not a traitor, a fascist and an overall disgraceful person and was actually a legitimate choice for President.  What specifically do you think he can do to fix to improve a economy?  Eliminate the income tax and pay for everything with tariffs?  Deport 16 million immigrants? 

Among the suggestions I've heard from his campaign do include eliminating the income tax and using tariffs, as you suggest. Also eliminating tax on tips, overtime, and SS. Project 2025, evidently suggests that businesses won't have to pay overtime, and it has been suggested that his policies will cause SS to go bankrupt about 6 years earlier than now projected, so maybe two of those suggestions don't mean much.

[Tigeraholic1]

5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The economy is always a factor.  There are always people who are going to get screwed no matter what and others who will do great no matter what.  We've been telling that to you Republicans for years!  I just don't think it's comparatively bad now.  But let's imagine for a moment though that Trump was not a traitor, a fascist and an overall disgraceful person and was actually a legitimate choice for President.  What specifically do you think he can do to fix to improve a economy?  Eliminate the income tax and pay for everything with tariffs?  Deport 16 million immigrants? 

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

[Motown Bombers]

 

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

https://x.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1852424141804126448

Trump adds a fourth NC Rally in final 3 days (in Raleigh)...

They're apparently seeing something there.

Can’t imagine what they’re seeing is good. Probably didn’t do a poll of The Ronz inner circle. 

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

Again, this race is close because we are a deeply polarized country with a candidate who has been on the ballot three times.

I have zero clue why anybody expected this race not to be close.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

All I can say is Trump had been in office for four years and lost. Why did he lose and why is it even close?

[Tigermojo]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

Ignorance, selfishness, lack of empathy, fear mongering, Russian propaganda, toxic masculinity, religious extremism, hate, racism, etc.

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

Trump has 2 issues. Immigration - which exists because the GOP has refused every effort to pass new legislation for over a dozen years, and inflation, which was world wide and the from which the US has recovered faster and with more growth than any place else. There are lots of reasons why the general public doesn't understand how economics works, and every election that lack of understanding is an issue that can cost a good economic manager (e.g GHWB) an election unfairly. But there is nothing new about that.

[Sports_Freak]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The economy is always a factor.  There are always people who are going to get screwed no matter what and others who will do great no matter what.  We've been telling that to you Republicans for years!  I just don't think it's comparatively bad now.  But let's imagine for a moment though that Trump was not a traitor, a fascist and an overall disgraceful person and was actually a legitimate choice for President.  What specifically do you think he can do to fix to improve a economy?  Eliminate the income tax and pay for everything with tariffs?  Deport 16 million immigrants? 

Drill, drill and drill. Even though the United States leads the world in oil production. He just tells his base stupid nonsense and they eat it up. Donold's horrible reaction to the pandemic is what caused the worldwide inflation. Joe Biden has brought us back better and stronger. There's still work to be done but he's leaving Harris a much stronger country than Trump left him. And speaking of inflation? The US is in much better shape than every other country, thanks to democrats cleaning up the typical GOP mess. Harris saying "We're not going back" is probably the best campaign slogan in my lifetime, mostly because it's so true.

[Tiger337]

11 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

How much effect do you think a VP has on the economy?  

It's close because people don't pay attention to what's going on and the media has normalized Trump's extreme psychopathy.  It's really very disturbing.  If the Republican candidate was someone sane like Haley or Pence, I wouldn't even be in this forum.  This is where I vent my frustration over the big mistake America is making by falling for the Trump con.

Although I wouldn't vote for her personally, I actually think Haley would have a much better chance than Trump.    

Edited 2 hours ago by Tiger337

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Ignorance, selfishness, lack of empathy, fear mongering, Russian propaganda, toxic masculinity, religious extremism, hate, racism, etc.

So everyone that votes for Trump is a racist natzi? Seriously, there will be millions that do, what happens when it is a peaceful transistion of power to Harris. Will society accept it and move on? Will the left look at at RW folks as less than americans? I want nothing but peace and prosperity for all americans, I am not sure we will ever get back to that.

[Sports_Freak]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

All I can say for sure is Harris has been in office for four years. If everything was milk and honey why is Trump even have a shot at winning. Looking at the polls for what thats worth it is a pretty close race, why though?

The vice president has mostly a ceremonial role. Try to find any vice president who ever set policies. Never. Trump put Pence in charge of the pandemic until he saw all the cameras and then he took over. Vice presidents just don't do that much, but Trump uses it as another talking point. It's why he loves the uneducated, they can't see how stupid his talking points really are.

[oblong]

I'm finally playing with the 270 to win map... and I have a hard time seeing a reasonable path for Trump.

You start with 2020 as a baseline.   7 states had a margin under 3%, 6 won by Biden.  We all know what states they were.  Given how Georgia has gone lately, it's hard for me to say that will flip.  It will be close.  Same with Michigan.  I'm bullish on PA given the Puerto Rico comments.

If Harris keeps those 3, she can lose the other 3 and let him keep NC.  She still has 276.  If she loses GA, then she needs WI or AZ.  Not out of the realm of possibility.  The NC visits by Trump are interesting because if she wins that then that takes care of needing WI or AZ in that scenario.

 

 

 

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Drill, drill and drill. Even though the United States leads the world in oil production. He just tells his base stupid nonsense and they eat it up. Donold's horrible reaction to the pandemic is what caused the worldwide inflation. Joe Biden has brought us back better and stronger. There's still work to be done but he's leaving Harris a much stronger country than Trump left him. And speaking of inflation? The US is in much better shape than every other country, thanks to democrats cleaning up the typical GOP mess. Harris saying "We're not going back" is probably the best campaign slogan in my lifetime, mostly because it's so true.

What was wrong with his reaction to the pandemic?  Was it because he pretended it was not real? Made jokes about it? Took no responsibility and blamed everybody else? Suggested that people could inject themselves with disinfectant or shine a light up their ass? Gave billions of dollar in stimulus payments to people who didn't need it?  That all seems reasonable to me.  

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Who controls interests rates? 2.5% Mortgage jumped to 6.5% in four years. What business can I blame that on? 

Bankers, building industry. What was the rate before COVID?

 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So everyone that votes for Trump is a racist natzi? Seriously, there will be millions that do, what happens when it is a peaceful transistion of power to Harris. Will society accept it and move on? Will the left look at at RW folks as less than americans? I want nothing but peace and prosperity for all americans, I am not sure we will ever get back to that.

Whatever you need to do to justify your vote for Trump. Trump has made it clear he’s a racist Nazi. It will be a peaceful transfer to Harris because Biden is in charge and not Trump. 

[oblong]

6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

 

Although I wouldn't vote for her personally, I actually think Haley would have a much better chance than Trump.    

Much much better in my opinion.

 

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So everyone that votes for Trump is a racist natzi? Seriously, there will be millions that do, what happens when it is a peaceful transistion of power to Harris. Will society accept it and move on? Will the left look at at RW folks as less than americans? I want nothing but peace and prosperity for all americans, I am not sure we will ever get back to that.

No, they aren't all racist nazis Most of them just don't pay enough attention.  

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

That was my immediate first impression of the complaints about this job report: the fact that we spent the last three years being told how jobs reports were irrelevant and CPI was what mattered.

Sign of the times I guess... Lol

Total employment in the US is something like 160million people so to try to measure it down the 200K level is actually an amazing feat of accuracy. But we have people here immediately jumping to conspiracy assumptions when the measurement  misses by about 0.1% of the total. You don't even get the gas you buy at the pump measured closer than 0.5%

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Bankers, building industry. What was the rate before COVID?

 

The irony is these rates are about the same as when Bush was in office. 

[oblong]

Just now, CMRivdogs said:

Bankers, building industry. What was the rate before COVID?

 

and frankly interest rates were too low.  I'm not an expert, don't pretend to be, so correct me all you want, but when rates are low people buy too much, more than they need.  Interest rates are not a refleciton of the economy.  They should be just high enough to make you think twice on doing something but not too high to make a necessity prohibitive.  4-6% is fair I think.

The near zero rates we saw created a mirage and set expectations out of whack on what should be normal.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Bankers, building industry. What was the rate before COVID?

 

2016 3.65 2019 4.13 22 6.34 23 5.50 24 6.30

[LaceyLou]

I sure miss times like when McCain responded to supporters who said the country would be destroyed if Obama won, by telling them that he was a good, decent man and that their fears were unfounded.