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16 minutes ago, romad1 said:

anything in particular to be worried about?

Not much polling or campaigning there and I saw something about a demographic shift to the left yesterday that I forgot to bookmark that had me concerned it may be a surprise flip.

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7 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

No, I don't remember that one. I'd love to see him excuse Trump giving head to his microphone at a public campaign event. 

I guess the Trump campaign really does think they're ahead in this race. 

Stan wouldn’t excuse it. He would whatabout around it.

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11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

If there is one state that might flip unexpectedly, I would most expect it to be Ohio, even though it might be an even bigger lift than say FLA. The energy of the woman's vote in 2022 plus the across the board anger at the state GOP for trying to kill Ohio's referendum rules to prevent the abortion vote are the kind of thing that may stick in the craw of the average hard headed Ohioan and create the a quiet undercurrent of electoral shift that polling is going to miss. 

Purely looking at the layout of the state, I have a tough time seeing where Harris makes those kinds of gains to actually flip the state.... The suburban trends that exist in other states exist in Ohio too, if Cleveland turns out more (they are usually really bad), that only gets you so far.

If I had to guess, it'll land somewhere between 5-8 in favor of Trump.

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10 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Not much polling or campaigning there and I saw something about a demographic shift to the left yesterday that I forgot to bookmark that had me concerned it may be a surprise flip.

I guess anything is possible, but in terms of polling average or how the campaigns are approaching the state, I don't see a lot of evidence that it's competitive. 

Especially with the possibility of 270-268, one would expect Trump to be spending money (or even a little time) in the state if they thought they could flip it.

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15 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Purely looking at the layout of the state, I have a tough time seeing where Harris makes those kinds of gains to actually flip the state.... The suburban trends that exist in other states exist in Ohio too, if Cleveland turns out more (they are usually really bad), that only gets you so far.

If I had to guess, it'll land somewhere between 5-8 in favor of Trump.

I would add that Trump mildly underperforming in Ohio does make me curious about what Selzer finds going on in Iowa... people will probably overread whatever she puts out, but I do think it could provide a decent benchmark for rural white voters in an election where we are mostly flying blind with this demographic.

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1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Is anybody concerned about New Hampshire?

I spent a good part of my childhood in rural NH. When I lived there it was very reliably Republican. IIRC it was a state that narrowly went for Bush Jr in 2000, and that race was close enough that it wouldn't have taken much to flip it to Gore.

I lived there a long time ago, and at that time they were more likely to be pro-choice (when they said keep government out of our lives they meant it). This, and having a fair number of people move from MA to the Manchester/Nashua area, has made it a bit more purple. And... there's a reason I left rural NH and never went back-it's because there were a lot of people who would have gotten along with The Ronz's friends.

So if we're counting on NH to seal a win, then yes there's definitely reason to worry. That's why the Democrats will have volunteers from MA on the ground in NH this weekend.

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I wouldn’t worry about New Hampshire. Even Hillary carried it. An internal memo leaked by Dems showed they were confident in New Hampshire. 

I'm still glad that there'a a group of Democrats working to get out the vote. My experience there was always a lot of left-leaning people didn't bother to vote because they thought there weren't enough of us. High turnout is a must.

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2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Oh no, the guy who called America a garbage dump is upset that the comedian who called Puerto Rico a garbage pile in the ocean got called out by the President so his dumbass fascistic supporters decided to respond by threatening violence.

Right? Just what you have been quacking for. You also said Trumps assassination attempt would come out to be a hoax. Do you have any more evidence or is SS Jersey shooting blanks?

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7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Right? Just what you have been quacking for. You also said Trumps assassination attempt would come out to be a hoax. Do you have any more evidence or is SS Jersey shooting blanks?

You are compressing the signal so much it’s not coming out on the keyboard coherently. 

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Do you know what I want most for future elections? Actual debates on the policies between candidates devoid of personal attacks, straw men, stupid nicknames, and descriptions of, er, personal anatomy. 

While I was never a fan of Bush Jr, he at least was a skilled debater.

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4 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Do you know what I want most for future elections? Actual debates on the policies between candidates devoid of personal attacks, straw men, stupid nicknames, and descriptions of, er, personal anatomy. 

While I was never a fan of Bush Jr, he at least was a skilled debater.

https://x.com/emptywheel/status/1852712652717363290?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

 

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