2024 Presidential Election thread

[Motown Bombers]

He was almost spot on in 2022 when people were calling for a red wave. 

[Tiger337]

29 minutes ago, romad1 said:

This article is coherent. 

 

I think we already have an oligarchy, but this arrangement would certainly make it easier for them.  

[CMRivdogs]

Just wow.

https://x.com/irin/status/1852693682903822732?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw

 

[1776]

13 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Spending some time in Myrtle Beach,…

Check out the Gordon Biersch Brewery on Howard Ave. and help yourself to their Marzen. One of the best anywhere!

Edited 1 hour ago by 1776

[gehringer_2]

36 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

OK, I guess I'm a prude. This man is, was, and always will be a disgusting human being. 

 

John McWhorter (NYT) had a different take on this yesterday. One view, which I tend to share, is that Trump is getting more outrageous because his personality is beginning to deconstruct as the result of neurological decline. McWhorter's theory is that he is fine but is bored to tears with campaigning (but must keep at it to hope to stay out of jail) and can only get rush he needs from the crowd by being more and more outrageous - sort of like the comic that keeps pushing to the limit until they go over  - a la Michael Richards or something. I won't argue that isn't is a possibility, but it seems like a complex answer to what appears to be much simpler.

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[The Ronz]

24 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Just wow.

https://x.com/irin/status/1852693682903822732?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw

 

And now you have been introduced to all the women I know.

The only difference - altho I'm sure it applies to this woman but isn't directly shown - are the women I know express a great admiration for Hitler and can't wait to get to work on building the death camps.

Some of them are very fluent in German and all of them know who Ilse Koch was.

And if you didn't read the article - this woman is indeed from Michigan. Macomb County I believe.

[Edman85]

26 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Check out the Gordon Biersch Brewery on Howard Ave. and help yourself to their Marzen. One of the best anywhere!

That's a chain. I've been to one in St. Louis, and there is a differently named replica in Jax.

[1776]

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

That's a chain. I've been to one in St. Louis, and there is a differently named replica in Jax.

They have a really nice one in San Jose as well. 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

You are compressing the signal so much it’s not coming out on the keyboard coherently. 

So you never suggested the assignation attempt was staged? Pretty sure there are plenty of receipts. You are our resident government credentialed guy. Was it just misinformation you were spreading?

[LaceyLou]

35 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

John McWhorter (NYT) had a different take on this yesterday. One view, which I tend to share, is that Trump is getting more outrageous because his personality is beginning to deconstruct as the result of neurological decline. McWhorter's theory is that he is fine but is bored to tears with campaigning (but must keep at it to hope to stay out of jail) and can only get rush he needs from the crowd by being more and more outrageous - sort of like the comic that keeps pushing to the limit until they go over  - a la Michael Richards or something. I won't argue that isn't is a possibility, but it seems like a complex answer to what appears to be much simpler.

I agree that could be a factor, and explain why he has become even more unhinged than usual.

On the other hand.... he has always been vulgar, and in some of the debates during the 2016 campaign he felt the need to refer to a certain part of his anatomy. This is something we don't need to know, and shouldn't be a part of a policy debate. 

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So you never suggested the assignation attempt was staged? Pretty sure there are plenty of receipts. You are our resident government credentialed guy. Was it just misinformation you were spreading?

It certainly looked staged...until I found out that somebody was killed.  Trump probably wouldn't mind seeing someone died if it was to his benefit, but I don't think his team would take the chance of getting caught.    

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So you never suggested the assignation attempt was staged? Pretty sure there are plenty of receipts. You are our resident government credentialed guy. Was it just misinformation you were spreading?

He wouldn’t?

Such organizational planning would follow FSB/SVR measures which we know were used by Putin to stage terror attacks to help Putin cement power.  

Would you be surprised that Putin lent him such support?

Hes doing a lot of other things to help Trump because he knows that’s his path to victory in Europe.

 

[Motown Bombers]

Dems are sending Bill Clinton to Cleveland on Monday. He's in Florida this weekend, Ohio Monday, looks like they are testing the waters. 

[LaceyLou]

18 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So you never suggested the assignation attempt was staged? Pretty sure there are plenty of receipts. You are our resident government credentialed guy. Was it just misinformation you were spreading?

I've been on the fence about responding to this kind of post. The response I've often heard of "You want the violence! You just want to be right!" is one I've heard multiple times, and not just about the possibility of post-election violence.

I don't know or care if he said the assassination attempt was staged. I did hear speculation of that when it first happened, and most if not all people who suggested it dismissed this after learning more about it.

I do know that he's close enough to DC that he could very well have been close to the action on January 6th. And warning people that violence in response to the election is possible is not the same as hoping that violence occurs just to prove that he's 'right,' or because he actually wants the violence to occur.

The fears some of us have that there will be violence are unfortunately justified. I don't know a single one of us that wouldn't love to be proved wrong. 

Edited 51 minutes ago by LaceyLou

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

He was almost spot on in 2022 when people were calling for a red wave. 

Call me Debbie Downer or whatever, but I just can't get behind the idea that we're winning Florida and the Senate seat there. I think we can be more competitive and bring it closer to what it was in 2018 or 2016. But to believe Florida went from a loss for Biden in 2020 to a blowout of the Dems in 2022 to them suddenly winning it now is just a bit too far for me to believe. I'd love to see it happen and be proven wrong.

[romad1]

I think people who can’t accept that a FELON  who hangs out with members of the Russian mafia would be involved with crime are stupid.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Call me Debbie Downer or whatever, but I just can't get behind the idea that we're winning Florida and the Senate seat there. I think we can be more competitive and bring it closer to what it was in 2018 or 2016. But to believe Florida went from a loss for Biden in 2020 to a blowout of the Dems in 2022 to them suddenly winning it now is just a bit too far for me to believe. I'd love to see it happen and be proven wrong.

I mean, it would be impossible to bring it closer than 2018 since Rick Scott won by 0.1%. Trump lost Michigan by the same margin Biden lost Florida, Republicans were blown out in 2022, and then they are suddenly going to win Michigan? There are multiple reasons to be bullish on Florida.

1) Florida has historically been a swing state. Trump's margins have been +1 and +3. This isn't Idaho.
2) Abortion and marijuana are on the ballot. Both issues to draw out Dems.
3) Harris has room to grow with Hispanics. Had Biden done the same as Hillary with Hispanics, he wins. Trump gave us a huge gift by angering and motivating two large Latino groups in Florida with Puerto Ricans and Hattians. 
4) Democrats have candidates in every single house district to boost turnout statewide.
5) Early voting in other states shows gains for Harris with older voters. This would be huge if it happens in Florida.
6) DMP is a strong candidate, and Rick Scott is weak. He's never won an election by more than 1%. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Just wow.

https://x.com/irin/status/1852693682903822732?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw

 

My dad's father was a horrifically abusive man. He would beat his sons down to the raw skin and make them bleed. He would make them do things like kneel down on bb pellets. He would pick them up by their necks and punch them in the stomach in a fit of rage. If they didn't finish their dinner, he'd literally knock them across the face off the chair and onto the floor and then send them to bed hungry for the rest of the week. At dinner, he'd make them eat things that no kid wants to eat like liver and onions or limburger cheese just because he could be an asshole like that, then hit them when they predictably didn't finish it.

He was no better to my grandmother either. In-fact, he was so bad that she pulled a gun on him once while he was sleeping ala Karen Hill in Goodfellas. If it hadn't been for a garbage truck driving by to wake him up, she'd have shot him.

In the 1950s, that was accepted as a father "doing his fatherly duties to discipline his children" and a husband "being a man in control of his house." Child abuse went largely unnoticed or not punished by the law if it was noticed because that's just dad being dad. The same thing goes for spousal abuse, that largely occurred towards the wife. Not to mention women couldn't open bank accounts, get credit cards, hold most professions, and on.

So to the women in this video, you need to reconsider and relearn history because 1950 and June Cleaver isn't what you think it is.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Just wow.

https://x.com/irin/status/1852693682903822732?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw

 

I saw that. She's right-we're holding a gun to her head and forcing her to not be married and have a lot of kids. That's what we childless cat ladies do! 

Now I'll take the tongue out of my cheek...

My niece is a SAHM. The reality is that when you think about money saved on such things as work clothes, transportation, and especially childcare, it's not only a feasible choice but often a solid financial decision. You may have to live in a smaller house, and have fewer luxuries but you can have a very comfortable life. Her not being married? I don't know why she's not married but I can tell you with confidence that it's not the fault of a society forcing her to live the 'miserable life of a single woman.'

Last point? A lot of the women that she speaks of from the 1950s were not happy-that is why they started to get an education and enter the workforce. And many of them would have been thrilled to be able to own their own homes and have their own credit cards-things they couldn't have in many states until 1974.

[Tigeraholic1]

32 minutes ago, romad1 said:

He wouldn’t?

Such organizational planning would follow FSB/SVR measures which we know were used by Putin to stage terror attacks to help Putin cement power.  

Would you be surprised that Putin lent him such support?

Hes doing a lot of other things to help Trump because he knows that’s his path to victory in Europe.

 

So the candidate that is currently not in office pulled off a staged assassination attempt and the party in power that the FBI, SS report to covered it up? But now you’re adding a wrinkle that Putin actually pulled it off with his connections in the U.S, government? This is your current stance? 
 

 

 

 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So the candidate that is currently not in office pulled off a staged assassination attempt and the party in power that the FBI, SS report to covered it up? But now you’re adding a wrinkle that Putin actually pulled it off with his connections in the U.S, government? This is your current stance? 
 

 

 

 

Nope

[Motown Bombers]

[LaceyLou]

23 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

My dad's father was a horrifically abusive man. He would beat his sons down to the raw skin and make them bleed. He would make them do things like kneel down on bb pellets. He would pick them up by their necks and punch them in the stomach in a fit of rage. If they didn't finish their dinner, he'd literally knock them across the face off the chair and onto the floor and then send them to bed hungry for the rest of the week. At dinner, he'd make them eat things that no kid wants to eat like liver and onions or limburger cheese just because he could be an asshole like that, then hit them when they predictably didn't finish it.

He was no better to my grandmother either. In-fact, he was so bad that she pulled a gun on him once while he was sleeping ala Karen Hill in Goodfellas. If it hadn't been for a garbage truck driving by to wake him up, she'd have shot him.

In the 1950s, that was accepted as a father "doing his fatherly duties to discipline his children" and a husband "being a man in control of his house." Child abuse went largely unnoticed or not punished by the law if it was noticed because that's just dad being dad. The same thing goes for spousal abuse, that largely occurred towards the wife. Not to mention women couldn't open bank accounts, get credit cards, hold most professions, and on.

So to the women in this video, you need to reconsider and relearn history because 1950 and June Cleaver isn't what you think it is.

Exactly. I'm sorry that your Dad had to go through that. And you're right, it wasn't until about the 70s that people started questioning the right of parents to beat their children (or even their wives).

Also... having lived in a rural area I have to wonder-has this woman ever lived on a farm for any length of time? I will say that it can be a great life, especially if you love physical activity. It is also hard, and the vision I get of a pregnant woman with a baby on her hip and a toddler behind her is most likely very different from the one I suspect she has.

[CMRivdogs]

https://x.com/txsecofstate/status/1852511234819596772?s=46&t=Hkcls71g8OYK4gqVoqRrnw

 

Let’s just offer Texas back to Mexico and ask them to pay for the wall.

Re Militarily Bases we keep them and if they object there have been lessons learned from Fort Sumner that can be applied. 
 

I.E blow them all up when we leave

[gehringer_2]

57 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So you never suggested the assignation attempt was staged? Pretty sure there are plenty of receipts. You are our resident government credentialed guy. Was it just misinformation you were spreading?

The lack of investigative results is suspicious but not necessarily of staging - just as likely the SS doing CYA. There is no question that the Trump camp put out false information about the degree of his wound. Penny sized tears in cartilage do not heal without a trace in 30 days. And of course the problem with dishonesty in one aspect is that it only casts doubt on all the others so Trump has only himself to blame if he is doubted.