2024 Presidential Election thread

[Tigeraholic1]

9 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Nope

Glad you are walking it back now. 

[Motor City Sonics]

53 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Call me Debbie Downer or whatever, but I just can't get behind the idea that we're winning Florida and the Senate seat there. I think we can be more competitive and bring it closer to what it was in 2018 or 2016. But to believe Florida went from a loss for Biden in 2020 to a blowout of the Dems in 2022 to them suddenly winning it now is just a bit too far for me to believe. I'd love to see it happen and be proven wrong.

But you know what? 

Obama won Florida twice. 

Florida was extremely close in 2016

DeSantis barely won his first term

A lot of school board elections have been turning against conservatives the last couple of years

Support for Trump with seniors is eroding.   I think many of them are embarrassed by his antics (the mic-sucking thing won't help him with this set).     

He's lost some military voters too.   A lot of those older vets are turned off by the "losers and suckers" remark (John Kelly would not have made that up). 

Floridians are growing tired of DeSantis and his antics

Abortion and Weed are on the ballot

And boy did they piss off Puerto Ricans.  

 

It's certainly not out of the question.   Comes down to  the youth vote (which seems be be strong this time around) and blocking DeSantis from pulling some sort of shenanigans  

 

 

Edited November 2, 2024 by Motor City Sonics

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Last point? A lot of the women that she speaks of from the 1950s were not happy-that is why they started to get an education and enter the workforce. 

This. I grew up around a clique of supremely competent women who were my mother's friends, many of whom were in the work force doing the work to keep the nation going while their their men were off at war, who while not necessarily unhappy, still all knew exactly how much more they could have been given the opportunity to do more than raise their children after the war ended, many of whom were the leading edge of the movement of women back into the workforce in the 60s-70s.

[romad1]

19 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Glad you are walking it back now. 

I’m not walking back that it might have happened because it’s in Trump and his pal Putin’s MO.  Your description of what i think is erroneous and fantastic. 

[LaceyLou]

6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

This. I grew up around a clique of supremely competent women who were my mother's friends, many of whom were in the work force doing the work to keep the nation going while their their men were off at war, who while not necessarily unhappy, still all knew exactly how much more they could have been given the opportunity to do more than raise their children after the war ended, many of whom were the leading edge of the movement of women back into the workforce in the 60s-70s.

And you've reminded me of one reason I want to ensure that higher education is kept in reach for people: there are a lot of talented people out there who could make a real difference. I want to make sure that those who want an education aren't barred because of background and/or financial reasons. 

[romad1]

The Tim Alberta long form article on the Trump campaign is amazing.  

https://x.com/timalberta/status/1852690274767581245?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

[Edman85]

49 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

https://x.com/txsecofstate/status/1852511234819596772?s=46&t=Hkcls71g8OYK4gqVoqRrnw

 

Let’s just offer Texas back to Mexico and ask them to pay for the wall.

Re Militarily Bases we keep them and if they object there have been lessons learned from Fort Sumner that can be applied. 
 

I.E blow them all up when we leave

Would be a lot easier terrain in which to build a wall, at least the northern border.

[Tiger337]

It's Bill Maher, but this is good:

https://x.com/billmaher/status/1852552373484589118

Edited November 2, 2024 by Tiger337

[smr-nj]

30 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

And you've reminded me of one reason I want to ensure that higher education is kept in reach for people: there are a lot of talented people out there who could make a real difference. I want to make sure that those who want an education aren't barred because of background and/or financial reasons. 

And I can’t believe that this is a mf’ing real life concern STILL and AGAIN.

Giant steps backwards, America.  Congratulations.

[LaceyLou]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It's Bill Maher, but this is good:

https://x.com/billmaher/status/1852552373484589118

The only problem is that it's true that a lot of people are struggling with bills, and living paycheck to paycheck-and we do all need to remember this and address these issues. He's one of the reasons that people point to Democrats as being out of touch elitists. 

What he does get right is that this isn't a new thing, but something that has gradually gotten worse for more people over the past 40-50 years. He's also right that inflation wasn't caused by Biden and that it's actually slowed down on his watch. I only hope that Harris's campaign has gotten this message to enough people. 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

The lack of investigative results is suspicious but not necessarily of staging - just as likely the SS doing CYA. There is no question that the Trump camp put out false information about the degree of his wound. Penny sized tears in cartilage do not heal without a trace in 30 days. And of course the problem with dishonesty in one aspect is that it only casts doubt on all the others so Trump has only himself to blame if he is doubted.

I just read the USSS released another report yesterday.  The news article cited the lack of farm equipment that was supposed to block the line of site from those buildings. Pre planning said they would be there.  Also failures in meetings before hand with multiple agencies present.  They were not well attended. And the heat of the day required many attendees be given medical treatment and that diverted the efforts of law enforcement.  That’s on top of what we already have heard.  

[romad1]

https://x.com/ferd_turgeson/status/1852464843233599995?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

[oblong]

55 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

This. I grew up around a clique of supremely competent women who were my mother's friends, many of whom were in the work force doing the work to keep the nation going while their their men were off at war, who while not necessarily unhappy, still all knew exactly how much more they could have been given the opportunity to do more than raise their children after the war ended, many of whom were the leading edge of the movement of women back into the workforce in the 60s-70s.

In Halberstam’s book The Fifties, he talks about this.  Depression.  Drug use separation from their families as with suburban expansion that often meant their parents were back “in the city”.  It wasn’t leave it to beaver or Ozzie and Harriet.  (He uses the real Nelson family as a nice rebuttal to that alleged utopia. Ozzie was a real prick). 

[LaceyLou]

12 minutes ago, romad1 said:

https://x.com/ferd_turgeson/status/1852464843233599995?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

LOL. It's amazing how one's view can change where Drumpf is concerned (I think this was originally a post of his from 2016).

I looked and he's gleefully saying that about 75% of the voters at the placed he went to today are men, and there are a lot of pickup trucks in the parking lot.

Side note: when did the pickup truck change from being an extremely valuable tool for farmers and trades to a display of masculinity? A lot of the pickup trucks I see here are at least 100K, don't fit well into city streets, and don't have beds long enough to be particularly useful.

[gehringer_2]

37 minutes ago, oblong said:

The news article cited the lack of farm equipment that was supposed to block the line of site from those buildings.

Farm equipment gets pretty large, but would it have blocked anybody's (i.e the shooter's) view from the roof? I guess if you put close enough to the stage...in which case Trump probably would have told them to move it!

Edited November 2, 2024 by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

when did the pickup truck change from being an extremely valuable tool for farmers and trades to a display of masculinity? 

Pickups at home took off when they stopped building RWD station wagons and starting selling crew cabs. If you live in suburbia and do any of your own home maintenance/rehab, they are about the only thing left you can carry 4' wide construction material in. Many early SUVs had 48" hatches, but now you are down to pretty much Tahoes and pickups. Minivans served the purpose for a while after the station wagon disappeared but everyone hated them. Pickups are also about the only vehicle left you can tow with - so boat, ski-doo, snowmobile ownership is going to put you in a pickup as well. I still have a old wreck of a large SUV or I might have one.

Edited November 2, 2024 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

19 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

LOL. It's amazing how one's view can change where Drumpf is concerned (I think this was originally a post of his from 2016).

I looked and he's gleefully saying that about 75% of the voters at the placed he went to today are men, and there are a lot of pickup trucks in the parking lot.

Side note: when did the pickup truck change from being an extremely valuable tool for farmers and trades to a display of masculinity? A lot of the pickup trucks I see here are at least 100K, don't fit well into city streets, and don't have beds long enough to be particularly useful.

The real show trucks are those dudes signifying their PTSD by having fording kits and additional fuel and water cans strapped down because ya never know when SHTF. 

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, 1776 said:

They have a really nice one in San Jose as well. 

They're one of the rare beer restaurant chains that actually makes good beer... BJ's Brewhouse, not so much

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Call me Debbie Downer or whatever, but I just can't get behind the idea that we're winning Florida and the Senate seat there. I think we can be more competitive and bring it closer to what it was in 2018 or 2016. But to believe Florida went from a loss for Biden in 2020 to a blowout of the Dems in 2022 to them suddenly winning it now is just a bit too far for me to believe. I'd love to see it happen and be proven wrong.

We butt heads a lot these days, but I agree here... Texas is a stretch, but both the Senate/President are likely going to be closer than Florida will be

Edited November 2, 2024 by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

Just now, romad1 said:

The real show trucks are those dudes signifying their PTSD by having fording kits and additional fuel and water cans strapped down because ya never know when SHTF. 

Now if you live near the coast in the Australian New Territories all 12 months, you better have yourself a snorkel equipped Toyota land cruiser. Otherwise probably not so much....

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

The Tim Alberta long form article on the Trump campaign is amazing.  

https://x.com/timalberta/status/1852690274767581245?s=46&t=76Y1aNflZsD8yrwQrvLC2g

I always kinda hold it against Alberta that he wrote a snide pre-mortem about Beto O'Rourke's campaign (which ended up far more successful than he envisioned in that piece - his sources were speculating low double digits and it ended with Cruz only winning by ~2.).

Just a reminder that you cannot depend on your opponents incompetence, you gotta run through the tape.

[LaceyLou]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Pickups at home took off when they stopped building RWD station wagons and starting selling crew cabs. If you live in suburbia and do any of your own home maintenance/rehab, they are about the only thing left you can carry 4' wide construction material in. Many early SUVs had 48" hatches, but now you are down to pretty much Tahoes and pickups. Minivans served the purpose for a while after the station wagon disappeared but everyone hated them. Pickups are also about the only vehicle left you can tow with - so boat, ski-doo, snowmobile ownership is going to put you in a pickup as well. I still have a old wreck of a large SUV or I might have one.

I get this, but it doesn't actually answer my question. I'd personally get a smaller, less expensive pickup truck to tow things, and there are ones with the four door cabs that still manage to have a long enough bed and are strong enough to haul things-and the post that made me think of it was a Charlie Kirk one in which he said that Drumpf is making a comeback partly because he saw a lot of men voting, and partly because there were 'so many pickup trucks in the parking lot.'

[Motor City Sonics]

Republicans closing argument:

 

Racism + Slurping sounds.  

 

They are garbage.  We should stop backing off that statement.   When people show you who they are - believe them. 

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

but it doesn't actually answer my question. I'd personally get a smaller, less expensive pickup truck to tow things,

If you can afford or have room to have an extra vehicle. The crew cab is probably the primary family vehicle in households that have one and that's the same reason they get fancy, just like people go top of the line with a good percentage of other vehicle types on the market. Maybe especially in the case of the pick-up because if mom and the kids are going to ride in it, Dad's going to have get a nice one......(or at least that's his excuse!)

Edited November 2, 2024 by gehringer_2

[LaceyLou]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

If you can afford or have room to have an extra vehicle. The crew cab is probably the primary family vehicle in households that have one and that's the same reason they get fancy, just like people go top of the line with a good percentage of other vehicle types on the market. Maybe especially in the case of the pick-up because if mom and the kids are going to ride in it, Dad's going to have get a nice one......(or at least that's his excuse!)

OK, that answers my question more.

I still have a hard time understanding. Of course I deliberately choose to live in a city where I can be car free, so there's that.