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40 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

https://x.com/AlexCKaufman/status/1853152097618870336

The Puerto Rican stuff remains toxic...

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HuffPost spoke with several Puerto Rican voters outside of a CTown Supermarket on Bethlehem’s south side, across the street from the Puerto Rican Beneficial Society.

Nilsa Vega and Neidel Pacheco of Hellertown, a borough south of Bethlehem, both said they had never voted before, but Hinchcliffe’s remarks were the reason they planned to vote for Harris on Tuesday.

“That hit the spot right there,” Vega said. “They keep saying, ‘Oh, he’s only a comedian.’ It still hurts.”

Pacheco saw Trump’s decision to pose in a garbage truck at a campaign stop in Wisconsin the following day as an additional insult. “If he didn’t have nothing to do with it, what’s he doing in the garbage truck?” Pacheco asked.

Sometimes I think that Republican operatives don't realize that most normal Americans aren't tied in with every single outrage of the day that comes down the pipe.... it's one of the party's biggest flaws in the Trump era.

The average voter knew about MSG and likely didn't hear about Biden or anything he said....

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5 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

We just had a small family gathering, my wife, her sister and daughter, and our son. The only Trump supporter in the conversation is my niece's boyfriend (who wasn't with us). He recently received his US citizenship papers (he's from Mexico)

He was having trouble filling out his mail-in ballot in NC. My neice refused to help him. Of course this was happening when he kept calling while we were all busy doing other things.

The niece’s boyfriend sounds like a lot.

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5 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

I've seen similar pictures of young women in Afghanistan. They should be a warning. But... denial is not just a river.

And yes, that is exactly what MAGA wants. 

They gave themselves away when they freaked the **** out over the Trump Wives commercial. They essentially blamed Kamala for trying to derive up the divorce rate.

Honestly, I have this fantasy that it’s going to be the Trump Wives who really put us over the top.

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Just watching the Lions game and there was a Maga ad saying that Harris is essentially president and has been given the job of controlling the borders and is doing a bad job. They really think the electorate is stupid. Maybe they undecided people are that stupid they think the VP has all sorts of responsibility. 

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29 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

It's always fun to look back and speculate. If Ford wins that election does he have any better handle on the economy? Does he make a different appointment to the Fed than William Miller, one who starts the battle against inflation sooner? If he does he gets re-elected in 1980, no Ronald Reagan, and who knows where we all would be? And where does the right wing go if the Ford wing of the GOP keeps them shut out for another cycle or two? The stakes of an election may not seem high at all at the time, but you never know!

I think Reagan still would have challenged him in 1980, and maybe Bush also.

For the Democrats, I'm guessing the field would have been similar: Kennedy, Brown, and perhaps Carter and/or Udall would have given it another try. Senators Glenn and Hollings might have made a move 4 years earlier if a Republican were in office instead of Carter. 

The results would depend on things such as how well Ford could work with Congress (O'Neill evidently hated Carter, whose lack of contacts in DC in general didn't do him any favors), whether or not the Iranian hostage crisis happened, in addition to what you suggested about the economy.

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6 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Just watching the Lions game and there was a Maga ad saying that Harris is essentially president and has been given the job of controlling the borders and is doing a bad job. They really think the electorate is stupid. Maybe they undecided people are that stupid they think the VP has all sorts of responsibility. 

Sadly if there's one thing I've learned, especially in recent years, it's that a lot of people don't understand how our government works. That includes the people who are in office, too.

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3 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

We're pretty doom and gloom here, because a Drumpf win could be a big disaster for MA-and it's really stressful to know that our future could depend on how the people in about 7-8 states vote.

Even with all of its faults MA is a really great place to live.

I could see Trump starving Illinois and especially Chicago for the same reasons.

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1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Musk sucks and I suspect that, in a Trump presidency, he could become the shadow president once Trump can no longer function which could be fairly soon.  

It could be even worse than that: they might keep Trump in there and let him just deteriorate in front of the nation’s eyes while they fulfill every increasingly insane whim unquestioningly until he actually drops dead. Who knows how much Alarmist Non-sense could arise from that circumstance?

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1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

I used to love everything about elections-from watching the debates to watching the conventions, right up to watching the returns come in on Election Day. This was true even when the results were different from what I had hoped. Now I think I'll have to stay offline for the next few days, except for some things I absolutely have to do online.

'76 was the first election I was allowed to stay up and watch-I was 9. I vaguely wanted Carter to win but felt like Ford was also fine.

I’m hip. I’m seeing a lot of episodes from various pods in the last couple of days talking about exactly how Trump would strip America for parts, and I can’t bring myself to listen to them now. For. One thing, yeah, I already knew. For another, just hearing content along these lines right now, with actual Election Day so close, would send me into a zombie-like stupor.

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I'll admit I avoid having to listen to his voice as much as possible, but in the few clips I've seen he looks and sounds absolutely terrible. I'm getting Weekend at Bernie's vibes. Am I seeing things?

I don't get how many people don't seem to care that he refuses to turn over medical records-remember how they kept hounding HRC 8 years ago? 

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40 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Romad - a little off topic but did you see French's NYT column today? Mostly about GOP failures yada-yada, but an interesting (at least to me!) tidbit about why Eisenhower ran as a Republican. One I'd not seen before.

I’m interested to hear this.  From what I read  he was always a Republican but kept it private due to the military.  When he returned from the war and was in their parade Truman, in the car with him, offered him the slot in 1948.  “It’s yours if you want it”. Ike wanted to make some money.  They had a falling out over Korea. They reconciled the day of JFK’s funeral when confusion left Truman without a car ride and Ike gave them a lift. Truman asked if he wanted to. Come up and have a drink and that was that.  

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