Motown Bombers Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Colorado has quickly moved to the left. Polis could be a front runner for 2028. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Colorado has quickly moved to the left. Polis could be a front runner for 2028. Will America elect an openly gay man as President though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Grew up in Detroit, I hate A^2 tap water! (TBF, it's because we are so close to the treatment plant our water is over-oxidized) This got me wondering about how they treat water here, which i have never thought much about, what’s the process and all, and I came across this article from earlier this year explaining it: https://abc7chicago.com/stickney-water-reclamation-plant-wastewater-chicago-microbes/14388431/ And it reads like one of the wonders of the modern civilized world. That said, I’m sure czar RFK will develop or spread some rumors about how water is treated in general so they can take responsibility for the process away from local governments and give it to private business who they can then drive down costs by cutting corners and reduce quality just below current minimum standards in order to turn a healthy profit. The Trump administration can help things along by removing clean water regulations from the books, requiring local and state government to comply with new federal government standards on water, and allowing any resulting externalities such as poisonings and deaths to play out in court. I look forward to this brave new world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, IdahoBert said: FROM TOM SANTOS ON X- So when Trump fires all non-partisan career professionals in government, replaces them with radical loyalists within every nook and cranny of the US government, and adds radical judges everywhere. And every one of you that voted for him finally wake up from your ****ed up fantasy just like the folks that woke up after 4 years of the last **** show, only to realize it’s much much worse, and much more permanent, this time. When the cancer you caused has infected every bit of the American system and it can’t be unwound for a lifetime. What then? Do you beg this country for forgiveness for choosing fascism because you were conned into believing your eggs are too expensive because of Joe Biden? You just put Steve Bannon in charge of American policy. You just put Michael Flynn in charge of our military. You just put Alex Jones in charge of media and propaganda. You just put Stephen Miller in charge of immigration policy. You just put bat**** crazy RFK Jr. in charge of health policy. You just killed free public education and privatized schools, which you will have to pay for. You just sealed the deal on a national abortion ban, because you’re demented if you think it’s not coming. You just radicalized the Supreme Court for a generation. You just made women less safe and less free. You just made this country an oligarchy with the billionaires quite literally in charge now. You just put in office the one person that believes a president is a king, with the ****ing Supreme Court ruling to prove it in his back pocket! You just ushered in Fascism. Because your cereal costs more. Congratulations. I wish this could do anything like horrify MAGAs, but unfortunately, this is language used only to inflame the left, so all this will do is elicit an apathetic shrug from the red hats. Seems to me the red hats all believe they’re hurting at the behest of snotty, stuck-up Democrat voters like you and me—you know, the kind of people who use ”behest” in a sentence—so their solution is not everyone working together to raise everyone’s standards, which they don’t believe is even a thing, but instead making it so we hurt as much as they themselves hurt, which they absolutely know is a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 9 hours ago, mtutiger said: Have any of these countries ended vaccine mandates? If you mean allowing parents of children to decide what goes in their child's body? What are your thoughts on Europe not pumping fluoride into their citizen's bodies? Would all these countries experts be classified as extreimists? Have you ever looked at the list of food additives and food products that we freely injest that Europe and other developed nations have banned the list is substantial. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-food-additives-banned-europe-making-americans-sick-expert-says/ Stacy McNamara is from upstate New York, but she has lived in London for a decade. She said raising children in the U.K. had opened her eyes to what's allowed in foods in the U.S. McNamara has no plans to ever move back home, and she told CBS News that food safety was "for sure" a part of that decision. https://www.goodrx.com/well-being/diet-nutrition/american-foods-banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 21 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Will America elect an openly gay man as President though? Rational and informed people want to believe the country would elect an openly gay man for President. The numbers tell us that a majority of our voting population is not rational or informed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 10 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I hear a lot of folks wanting to move to a number of these countries if Trump would win. Will they lobby to dump chemicals into their water once they get there? Why can’t we just brush our teeth and rinse with a fluoride mouthwash? Fluoridated water works systemically. It is most beneficial to children while their teeth are newly erupting, especially those in low income areas. Fluoride also occurs naturally in the water in many areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 2 days after the election and the trumpers already suggesting more government regulations in this thread. Theres a shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 I think allowing all parents to raise their children only as they see fit is overrated. Some parents are not fit in the first place and need to have their children rescued from them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 49 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Colorado has quickly moved to the left. Polis could be a front runner for 2028. Where do you think all the money comes from to provide all these goodies listed? Taxes. Who pays the taxes? It’s just reality. Specifics are always helpful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 (edited) If theres one takeaway from this election its that policy specifics totally do not matter No one cared that Trump didnt show how to pay for no auto interest, no tax on tips etc Edited November 7 by pfife 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, 1776 said: Where do you think all the money comes from to provide all these goodies listed? Taxes. Who pays the taxes? It’s just reality. Specifics are always helpful as well. Then you will be happy to hear that Colorado has cut income and property taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 This from today’s WSJ: In Michigan on the eve of the election, one vivid sign the Democrats were in trouble came at a rally thrown by vice presidential nominee Tim Walz, held at downtown Detroit’s Hart Plaza. The venue can accommodate thousands of people, but the crowd filled only a fraction of the space, according to one volunteer. At one point, campaign staffers asked people to cluster in bleachers that were in view of a camera, so it would give the impression of a full crowd. …you guys didn’t report this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Then you will be happy to hear that Colorado has cut income and property taxes. Yes, very happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 (edited) I think its not certain that taxpayers cover that stuff, there are thousands of gov programs that arent even paid for let alone paid for by taxpayers so such declarations seem particularly hollow esp from those warning about the national debt. Edited November 7 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 29 minutes ago, pfife said: If theres one takeaway from this election its that policy specifics totally do not matter No one cared that Trump didnt show how to pay for no auto interest, no tax on tips etc They'll solve the 'no tax on OT pay' by trying, probably successfully, to eliminate overtime pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LaceyLou said: They'll solve the 'no tax on OT pay' by trying, probably successfully, to eliminate overtime pay. If immigration numbers drop way off or they start deporting people in an already tight labor market where workers have leverage, attempting that should be interesting. OTOH, if Trump's tariffs cause a recession and unemployment, employers will be golden..... Edited November 7 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, pfife said: 2 days after the election and the trumpers already suggesting more government regulations in this thread. Theres a shock If Democrats made the same exact suggestion though that would be called socialism and would be bad. I saw something somewhere (can't remember where) that said Trump would repeal the Obamacare and reimplement it under the exact same guidelines but rebrand it Trumpcare. People would fall for it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: If you mean allowing parents of children to decide what goes in their child's body? What are your thoughts on Europe not pumping fluoride into their citizen's bodies? Would all these countries experts be classified as extreimists? Have you ever looked at the list of food additives and food products that we freely injest that Europe and other developed nations have banned the list is substantial. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-food-additives-banned-europe-making-americans-sick-expert-says/ Stacy McNamara is from upstate New York, but she has lived in London for a decade. She said raising children in the U.K. had opened her eyes to what's allowed in foods in the U.S. McNamara has no plans to ever move back home, and she told CBS News that food safety was "for sure" a part of that decision. https://www.goodrx.com/well-being/diet-nutrition/american-foods-banned Consumer groups have been advocating for proper labeling on labels literally for decades, and there are indeed groups (including the Green Party, before Stein was influenced by Russia) that have fought for decades to get carcinogens out of food, and other products. The US has a history of sending different products overseas than it sells here-this goes back to such industries as apple orchards that would have to thoroughly clean arsenicals off of them before importing to Europe, but would sell them in the US as is. Do you know who prevented companies from being required to remove these chemicals from foods in the US? I'm guessing you do. And anybody who thinks that Trump, who has promised to roll back on regulations in general, is going to make our food safer is sorely mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 17 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If immigration numbers drop way off or they start deporting people in an already tight labor market where workers have leverage, attempting that should be interesting. OTOH, if Trump's tariffs cause a recession and unemployment, employers will be golden..... It'll be interesting, for sure. I haven't seen the last estimate of how much these mass deportations will cost, but my guess is it's more than enough for him to justify cutting grants in various industries-grants that provide salaries to a lot of workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 Trump should just make Mexico for the government programs like he did for the wall. If China is going to pay the tarrifs he should raise their taxes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 54 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Will America elect an openly gay man as President though? To start, and I’m not trying to be difficult, I don’t particularly agree with the way the question is presented. The sole focus of this question is based on the man being gay. I can’t speak for all of America but I believe most Americans would vote for a person that they can trust to do right by their country. I realize that there are those that will never support a gay person because of their sexual orientation. Voters can, and will, find many different reasons not to vote for certain candidates because of personal dislikes, you name them. It’s doesn’t have to anything to with their sexual orientation. I commented last night, I voted for Chase Oliver of the L.P. He is openly gay. I didn’t vote for him because he is gay. I voted for him because I liked his political perspectives ten fold above the top two primary candidates. I know you didn’t vote for him but I also know it had nothing to do with the fact that he is gay. I don’t know how to put this into words exactly, but it bothers me that some people feel like “gay” has to be a thing, one way or another. For example, you might hear someone say, “I was hanging out with a gay friend.” What would compel you to mention that he was gay? Is that some kind of qualifier or something? Another for instance like, “I was in the store the other day and I ran into this Black guy I used to go to school with.” Why the mention of his color? Maybe this should be in the Pet Peeve thread. Maybe I’m too…whatever. I probably need another cup of coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 54 minutes ago, pfife said: I think its not certain that taxpayers cover that stuff, there are thousands of gov programs that arent even paid for let alone paid for by taxpayers so such declarations seem particularly hollow esp from those warning about the national debt. More specifically, where do you believe the money will come from to fund the things noted in MB’s post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Good thread on how wrong Bernie Sanders is. Next Dem nominee is going to be in the Joe Manchin mold. https://x.com/fawfulfan/status/1854530697265816017?s=46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 The catastrophizing in the US Government agencies going on today. Yesterday was just shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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