2024 Presidential Election thread

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, 1776 said:

More specifically, where do you believe the money will come from to fund the things noted in MB’s post?

Colorado already funds them and is a fairly low tax state. 

[pfife]

7 minutes ago, 1776 said:

More specifically, where do you believe the money will come from to fund the things noted in MB’s post?

What do my beliefs gave to do with anything?  You said it was reality that taxpayers have to pay for it when we are replete with examples where they do not

That said i believe Trump will make Mexico and China pay for stuff.   He said it himself and also he tells it like it is

Edited November 7, 2024 by pfife

[1776]

1 hour ago, pfife said:

If theres one takeaway from this election its that policy specifics totally do not matter 

No one cared that Trump didnt show how to pay for no auto interest, no tax on tips etc 

This is the case every election. Most voters never care for specifics. That’s too much to have to remember. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I think UAW President Shawn Fain is the guy I am most interested in for our candidate in 2028. He's the type of working class populist we need to counter Trump. Plus, if the economy is in the ****s and inflation is high thanks to Trump's tariffs, tax cuts for the wealthy, and mass deportations, a labor guy like Fain is the perfect person to push back with. Plus, he was a good Democrat this past election.

[Tigeraholic1]

10 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Consumer groups have been advocating for proper labeling on labels literally for decades, and there are indeed groups (including the Green Party, before Stein was influenced by Russia) that have fought for decades to get carcinogens out of food, and other products. 

The US has a history of sending different products overseas than it sells here-this goes back to such industries as apple orchards that would have to thoroughly clean arsenicals off of them before importing to Europe, but would sell them in the US as is.

Do you know who prevented companies from being required  to remove these chemicals from foods in the US? I'm guessing you do. 

And anybody who thinks that Trump, who has promised to roll back on regulations in general, is going to make our food safer is sorely mistaken.

Do you know who owns a the largest pork farms in the U.S.? Smithfield Foods, do you know who owns Smithfield Foods? China, have you seen their operations? Giant warehouses that the pigs never move more than 3 feet their whole life. It now costs .02 a pound to raise pork. They started this in NC so all other pork farmers in the U.S. have to follow suit and build these huge warehouses so they can compete with the new price standard. Mortgaging there property basically turning them into serf farmers making pennies on the dollar while China takes all the profit. China also continues to buy farm land all over our country 30% increase since 2019. What has Biden/Harris done to curb this? 

[Motown Bombers]

Just telling like it is, but Dems have to move away from unions. Rank and file union workers are not supporting Dems. Need to go back to Clinton and free trade and no tariffs. People want cheap stuff. 

[pfife]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Do you know who owns a the largest pork farms in the U.S.? Smithfield Foods, do you know who owns Smithfield Foods? China, have you seen their operations? Giant warehouses that the pigs never move more than 3 feet their whole life. It now costs .02 a pound to raise pork. They started this in NC so all other pork farmers in the U.S. have to follow suit and build these huge warehouses so they can compete with the new price standard. Mortgaging there property basically turning them into serf farmers making pennies on the dollar while China takes all the profit. China also continues to buy farm land all over our country 30% increase since 2019. What has Biden/Harris done to curb this? 

What did your guy do to stop it?

[Tigeraholic1]

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Do you know who owns a the largest pork farms in the U.S.? Smithfield Foods, do you know who owns Smithfield Foods? China, have you seen their operations? Giant warehouses that the pigs never move more than 3 feet their whole life. It now costs .02 a pound to raise pork. They started this in NC so all other pork farmers in the U.S. have to follow suit and build these huge warehouses so they can compete with the new price standard. Mortgaging there property basically turning them into serf farmers making pennies on the dollar while China takes all the profit. China also continues to buy farm land all over our country 30% increase since 2019. What has Biden/Harris done to curb this? 

Probably nothing, since Biden is not as left wing as people seem to think. And again, do you think T will be doing anything to curb this? I have my doubts. 

Russians have also been buying land all over the country. I also think T will do anything about this.

[RatkoVarda]

When Communist Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat better, it was communism.

When wacko RFK JR tries to get kids to eat better, it's all good.

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I think allowing all parents to raise their children only as they see fit is overrated. Some parents are not fit in the first place and need to have their children rescued from them.

Weird, I thought the RW were the rounding up types. Another delusional take by the extreme left.

[pfife]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

When Communist Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat better, it was communism.

When wacko RFK JR tries to get kids to eat better, it's all good.

Yep.   As always its not tyranny when they do it

[Mr.TaterSalad]

4 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

When Communist Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat better, it was communism.

When wacko RFK JR tries to get kids to eat better, it's all good.

RFK Jr wants to take kids off the childhood vaccine schedule. ****ing madness. I'm getting a Make Measles Great Again shirt made.

[pfife]

4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Weird, I thought the RW were the rounding up types. Another delusional take by the extreme left.

The RW are the rounding up types.  For instance just yesterday you rounded up trumps vote total to a majority of americans 

[LaceyLou]

26 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Good thread on how wrong Bernie Sanders is. Next Dem nominee is going to be in the Joe Manchin mold. 
https://x.com/fawfulfan/status/1854530697265816017?s=46

As much as I dislike Joe Manchin, it goes without saying that I'd prefer him to what we're about to get.

[Tigeraholic1]

13 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Probably nothing, since Biden is not as left wing as people seem to think. And again, do you think T will be doing anything to curb this? I have my doubts. 

Russians have also been buying land all over the country. I also think T will do anything about this.

[Hongbit]

34 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I can’t speak for all of America but I believe most Americans would vote for a person that they can trust to do right by their country.

 

 

 

 

Sadly, this has been proven to not be true.    

All of the points made in your post should be true.  Unfortunately, at this time in our history, they are not.  

Hopefully, that will change but for the moment, you should understand that your point of view does not speak for the majority of America.   

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Saw this stat on Twitter, credit Derek Thompson.

For the first time since WWII, every governing party facing election in a developed country this year lost vote share, via @jburnmurdoch

2024 Democrats are the red dot. Absolutely critical context to any postmortem.

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Mr.TaterSalad

[Motown Bombers]

11 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

As much as I dislike Joe Manchin, it goes without saying that I'd prefer him to what we're about to get.

The leftist who demanded we withdraw from Afghanistan, cancel student debt, and support worker rights abandoned Biden when he did that. You can’t trust the left. 

[LaceyLou]

9 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Agricultural land. In Boston anyway many of the rentals are owned by Russians and/or Russian immigrants-many of them are rented by students and are plagued by safety issues. And one of the biggest slumlords is Palestinian. So even in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, we have a lot that needs to be done wrt land and housing issues.

It appears that I was at least partly wrong, so I'll stand corrected.

I still doubt that T will do anything to solve the problem. 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

Where do you think all the money comes from to provide all these goodies listed? Taxes. Who pays the taxes? It’s just reality. Specifics are always helpful as well. 
 

We have reached the point where more schools and better schools are "goodies" that should be starved of tax revenue. Well, looks like you're gonna get your wish. Congratulations.

[Tigeraholic1]

45 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Just telling like it is, but Dems have to move away from unions. Rank and file union workers are not supporting Dems. Need to go back to Clinton and free trade and no tariffs. People want cheap stuff. 

New flash, the common man/woman moved away from the left as evidence by the popular vote. They broke up with you not the other way around.

[Tigeraholic1]

15 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Agricultural land. In Boston anyway many of the rentals are owned by Russians and/or Russian immigrants-many of them are rented by students and are plagued by safety issues. And one of the biggest slumlords is Palestinian. So even in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, we have a lot that needs to be done wrt land and housing issues.

It appears that I was at least partly wrong, so I'll stand corrected.

I still doubt that T will do anything to solve the problem. 

These would have been great issues for Harris to run on. It just shows the lefts disconnect with everyday americans. They don't listen they tell you how wrong you are and here we are today.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

New flash, the common man/woman moved away from the left as evidence by the popular vote. They broke up with you not the other way around.

So the common person wants a person who walks out on the waitress without paying the bill or leaving a tip? Trump has stiffed contractors time and again. He's ripped off thousands of people with scam charities, scam "colleges", and scam items he's sold. So the common person wants a con artist?

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

To start, and I’m not trying to be difficult, I don’t particularly agree with the way the question is presented. The sole focus of this question is based on the man being gay. 

I can’t speak for all of America but I believe most Americans would vote for a person that they can trust to do right by their country

{snip}
 

Permission to speak freely, sir?

The premise of this post is horse**** and you know it.

We just had a black woman running whom we could trust to do right by the economy—if she gets the blame for working with the Biden economy you don't like, then she gets credit for working with the Biden economy that got inflation under control with record employment—and it's becoming very clear that millions of people wouldn't vote for her simply because she was black and a woman. A gay person, even a gay white man, would also lose millions of votes simply because he is gay.

You know you'll never be in the position of having to choose whether you would vote for an openly gay man because you (and I) will be long dead before an openly gay man runs as a Republican. So you're safe from having to put your money where your mouth is.

Sir.