2024 Presidential Election thread

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So the common person wants a person who walks out on the waitress without paying the bill or leaving a tip? Trump has stiffed contractors time and again. He's ripped off thousands of people with scam charities, scam "colleges", and scam items he's sold. So the common person wants a con artist?

I'm answering your post because you bring up one point that has puzzled me ever since he first started running in 2015. Please bear with me.

Unfortunately, it appears that the pro-Drumpf groups were extremely successful in getting out misinformation (about open borders, for example) and making it less likely for Harris's messages to get out. For example some of the messages I've seen from Harris, that either didn't get to the right audiences or if they did a big part of the audience either didn't believe or didn't care:

-Harris did have plans to help first time homebuyers-I don't know exactly how or if she would have addressed the real problem of foreign investments in US farmland.

-there were commercials addressing Drumpf's habit of stiffing people-actually I saw some in 2016. I don't remember seeing them this year, though TBF I didn't see many commercials at all until a few days before the election. And no matter how many times I bring it up, not one person has been able to give me a reason that somebody with 6 bankruptcies and multiple business failures is a genius at business.

-on immigration.... the wall has been being constructed during Biden's term, and while I do not know exact numbers I do know that arrests at the southern border have also continued throughout his term. The 'Deporter in Chief' was the nickname given to Obama by immigration support groups, and while I haven't seen anybody refer to Biden as such, these groups aren't thrilled with Biden's record either.

-one thing that the Biden administration has tried to do is to tackle the root cause of illegal immigration. This can only be done by helping countries (that ask for help deal via such programs as the Peace Corps) with the problems that lead to people who are leaving them.

The issues have been addressed, we need to find a way to get through to people more effectively.

Unfortunately, we will never get through to people who *claim* the economy is their #1 issue, but who really don't want to vote for a woman/black/insert other group here.

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I'm extreme left?

Man, you need to meet more people.

I'm old enough to remember when Carter was considered a conservative Democrat. Today he's considered a pinko-Commie.

[mtutiger]

28 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Lets do a little math, everyone:

2024 MICHIGAN SENATE RACE

• Elissa Slotkin Raw Vote Total: 2,690,782
• Mike Rogers Raw Vote Total: 2,673,747

2024 MICHIGAN PRESIDENTIAL RACE

• Kamala Harris Raw Vote Total: 2,715,809
• Donald Trump Raw Vote Total: 2,800,060

Difference between Harris/Slotkin: +25,027 Harris

Difference between Trump/Rogers: +126,313 Trump

[126,313 - 25,027] = 101,286 votes

Margin of victory in Michigan for Donald J. Trump in 2024: 84,251 votes.

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There'll be a lot of questions about how Dems pulled out all these close Senate races despite Trump winning, but this is why. And again, it raises a lot of interesting questions about future election cycles... especially considering this will be the last time Trump's name will be on a ballot.

https://x.com/RalstonReports/status/1854564973437178206

Ralston apparently crunched the numbers for Nevada as well... Seems to line up

Edited November 7 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

I think you are. Not extreme left in the Chicago sense, or maybe this board sense, but yes.

For all I know, I am. I know I am relative to some social circles down here.

If supporting Joe Biden's record as a president and voting for Kamala makes me extreme left in your opinion, then I guess I'm all in on that. I don't think most people, even along where you see yourself on the spectrum, would agree with that, but it's your definition and you have a right to define that for yourself. If you start calling me a Marxist and a communist, though, you're gonna have to come up with the receipts on that one.

[chasfh]

28 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

I'm old enough to remember when Carter was considered a conservative Democrat. Today he's considered a pinko-Commie.

Probably because Carter helped people after leaving office instead of making multiple millions with an international agribusiness conglomerate.

[Tigeraholic1]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If supporting Joe Biden's record as a president and voting for Kamala makes me extreme left in your opinion, then I guess I'm all in on that. I don't think most people, even along where you see yourself on the spectrum, would agree with that, but it's your definition and you have a right to define that for yourself. If you start calling me a Marxist and a communist, though, you're gonna have to come up with the receipts on that one.

He is just calling a spade a spade. I know it is hard to look in mirror some times. 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

He is just calling a spade a spade. I know it is hard to look in mirror some times. 

OK, fine. You wanna keep going on this, now you have to produce the receipts that I am "extreme left".

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I'm not talking about rounding up the Klan members in your town, so don't fret about that. I'm not talking about rounding up anyone. That's your party's deal.

I don't know how you leapt to that—I assume as a distraction from the actual point to change the focus to some fantastic persecution of conservatives instead—but everyone else here can see what we were (or at least what I was) actually talking about, which is rescuing children from abusive parents, so I'm not chasing your laser pointer.

We don't have Klan members in my town we have had a Democratic Mayor for 30 years though. In fact the current Mayor Sharon Tucker who happens to be African American is a family friend. Her Dad was a Marine Vietnam vet and good friends with my Marine Vietnam vet Dad.

[pfife]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

New flash, the common man/woman moved away from the left as evidence by the popular vote. They broke up with you not the other way around.

Accordong to AP, trunp got 4,649,530 more votes as of now.   Using 339m as the population, that number is roughly 1.37% of the population. 

Cool story thoguh.   I thought the RW were the types that hate inflation but youre inflating **** 

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Accordong to AP, trunp got 4,649,530 more votes as of now.   Using 339m as the population, that number is roughly 1.37% of the population. 

Cool story thoguh.   I thought the RW were the types that hate inflation but youre inflating **** 

LULZ 339M did not vote smh..................

[pfife]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

LULZ 339M did not vote smh..................

You said the common man, not voters, as i quoted.  Why not tighten it up a tad?

[ewsieg]

49 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If supporting Joe Biden's record as a president and voting for Kamala makes me extreme left in your opinion, then I guess I'm all in on that. I don't think most people, even along where you see yourself on the spectrum, would agree with that, but it's your definition and you have a right to define that for yourself. If you start calling me a Marxist and a communist, though, you're gonna have to come up with the receipts on that one.

Everything is relative, I voted for Kamala and stuck up for some of Biden's record, but considered by some on here of being far right because I had some complaints too.

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Everything is relative, I voted for Kamala and stuck up for some of Biden's record, but considered by some on here of being far right because I had some complaints too.

I don't consider you far right. If you were you'd be all MAGA all the time, and I don't hear that from you.

But you did refer to me as "extreme left" which, by definition, means the outer edges or limits, meaning no ideology is more left-wing than mine, including communism, Marxism, and anarchism. Those ideologies would be right in my wheelhouse, or even to the right of me, if I am on the extreme left. Is that really what you meant to put across here?

[LaceyLou]

Meanwhile, evidently the extreme misogynists, including the oh so lovely Nick Fuentes, have crawled out from under their rocks to post things like "Your Body, My Choice, now and Forever." 

So much for being 'protected.' 

It might be time for me to take a refresher course in self defense.

[pfife]

Someone should phtoshop chas into this 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

More straight thunder that the left can’t seem to hear or more than likely not want to hear.

 

[pfife]

Person says mean stuff about the left on tv?   Shocking

[Tigeraholic1]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Person says mean stuff about the left on tv?   Shocking

Democratic Strategist to boot even!

[Hongbit]

5 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

More straight thunder that the left can’t seem to hear or more than likely not want to hear.

 

She takes a long time to say catering to to the progressives is what caused Democrats to lose touch with the common voter.    She’s not wrong but there’s much more to it than just that. 
 

[pfife]

Sounds biased and also based

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

She takes a long time to say catering to to the progressives is what caused Democrats to lose touch with the common voter.    She’s not wrong but there’s much more to it than just that. 
 

Cable news hits aren't exactly built for nuance, which is a big reason why cable news (left right and center) is garbage.

Edited November 7 by mtutiger

[1776]

4 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 Plus, he was a good Democrat this past election.

You’ll never win with this guy. He is considered extreme in his viewpoints. He IS a good Democrat, but you’d be out of business when you’re appealing to the full electorate for support. 

[Edman85]

The traction that RFK and the antivax movement has is downright alarming. I know I feel like Leslie Nielson in Airplane coming in here every half day to report this, but big time yikes.

[1776]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

Permission to speak freely, sir?

The premise of this post is horse**** and you know it.

We just had a black woman running whom we could trust to do right by the economy—if she gets the blame for working with the Biden economy you don't like, then she gets credit for working with the Biden economy that got inflation under control with record employment—and it's becoming very clear that millions of people wouldn't vote for her simply because she was black and a woman. A gay person, even a gay white man, would also lose millions of votes simply because he is gay.

You know you'll never be in the position of having to choose whether you would vote for an openly gay man because you (and I) will be long dead before an openly gay man runs as a Republican. So you're safe from having to put your money where your mouth is.

Sir.

Using your logic it’s as simple as saying that anybody that casts a vote for anyone other than Harris is a racist. OK

Edited November 7 by 1776

[mtutiger]

This point after the election reminds me a lot of the May 2024 Detroit Tigers where the Jeff Riger types of Tigers Twitter would just throw out "shoulda signed Matt Chapman" and recommend who needs to "PACK FOR TOLEDO" and "CALL 'EM UP", as if those suggestions were all the panacea (they weren't.... young players performing better was the panacea)

I'm not saying that there aren't lessons that need to be learned, but I can tell you right now that it isn't going to be boiled all down into one neat little package that's going to fit into a 2 minute cable hit.