2024 Presidential Election thread

[Tigeraholic1]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'm uninterested in how you think your resume relates to this exchange, and I stand by my post which, bottom line, was about me and not about you.

Yes we know, it is ALWAYS about you..........

[mtutiger]

We can all hold competing thoughts in our head at one time:

• Harris was not the greatest candidate
• Harris was left with a pretty crummy hand and probably played it about as well as she could
• Had she not been elevated to the top of the ticket, it would have been a wipeout downballot

[Edman85]

It was also a lot more practical to "legally" immigrate here 25 years ago. The system needs reformed so people can do so and the people abusing the asylum system can be swiftly dealt with.

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Yes we know, it is ALWAYS about you..........

OK, now you’re just flinging poo.

 

[CMRivdogs]

https://x.com/ap/status/1854932316386144716?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw
 

BREAKING: The Justice Department has brought criminal charges in a thwarted Iranian plot to kill President-elect Donald Trump before this week's presidential election.

[pfife]

I wonder if the Democrats will be filibustering any GOP immigration legislation?  

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

I wonder if the Democrats will be filibustering any GOP immigration legislation?  

Not if filibuster rules get changed, which I now give a better than 50-50 chance of happening after January. 

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

It was also a lot more practical to "legally" immigrate here 25 years ago. The system needs reformed so people can do so and the people abusing the asylum system can be swiftly dealt with.

One of the biggest impediments to success in reforming immigration is that there isn't complete and total agreement on what the problem is in the first place, particularly within the GOP.

For some, the problem that we have too much illegal immigration, but we need to open up more ability for people to legally immigrate here. For others (ie. the Stephen Miller set), the problem is that we have *too* much immigration period and we need to continue to reduce both illegal *and* legal immigration.

[LaceyLou]

40 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Message is important, but I almost feel like it goes beyond that. But real commitments and real listening.

Assuming he holds on against Kari Lake in Arizona (it hasn't been called yet but seems pretty likely), it would also help if Ruben Gallego became a more prominent figure within the party. His background (Male, Second Generation, military service record) is the exact kind of voter this party is struggling with the most.

Agree. One reason Democrats don't have a message is because they're not listening. And for better or for worse, the Republicans have managed to seize the opportunity to make it appear as though they're the party of the regular person.

[1776]

15 hours ago, Screwball said:

I hate to break this to you, but those are the people pulling the strings of the democratic party.

A bit dated but case in point:

https://insidesources.com/when-it-comes-to-charitable-giving-warren-and-sanders-are-millionaires-who-dont-pay-their-fair-share-2/

[Screwball]

5 minutes ago, 1776 said:

A bit dated but case in point:

https://insidesources.com/when-it-comes-to-charitable-giving-warren-and-sanders-are-millionaires-who-dont-pay-their-fair-share-2/

That wasn't what I was talking about, but thats interesting anyway.  A good start to see how the whores operate can be found here; Open Secrets dot org - shows the above board contributions to DC creatures. They also cash in on insider trading, which is illegal, but quite profitable.

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1742207287966777673

[Edman85]

41 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

https://x.com/ap/status/1854932316386144716?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw
 

BREAKING: The Justice Department has brought criminal charges in a thwarted Iranian plot to kill President-elect Donald Trump before this week's presidential election.

There is talk of his obesity, age, or mental state being what brings us President Vance. Fatwa may be overlooked.

And back in power, that would mean WW3.

[Tigeraholic1]

50 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, now you’re just flinging poo.

 

I will try not to hit the mirror behind you.

[Tigeraholic1]

42 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

One of the biggest impediments to success in reforming immigration is that there isn't complete and total agreement on what the problem is in the first place, particularly within the GOP.

 

Maybe illegal border crossings will be on ther hit list. 

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Maybe illegal border crossings will be on ther hit list. 

I mean, they're going to all sorts of stuff.... rounding up illegals, hitting border crossings harder, all of that. We know this already because he campaigned on it.

But that isn't really a "reform" of immigration.... that doesn't clean up the asylum process, that doesn't reduce the bureaucratic mess that legal immigration entails, etc. I understand that the punitive stuff is what sends a thrill up everyone's leg, but these are things that need to be addressed. We *should* it easier to adjudicate legit asylum claims and *should* make it easier for people to legally migrate to our country.

And my point is that, in an incoming administration that contains Stephen Miller in Trump's ear, there isn't really consensus on whether there is even a need for immigration reform in the first place.

Edited November 8, 2024 by mtutiger

[Mr.TaterSalad]

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/feeding-america-how-immigrants-sustain-us-agriculture#:~:text=born workers%2C foreign-born naturalized,three decades (Figure 1).&text=Source%3A Economic Research Service%2C Department of Agriculture.

40% of our farm and agriculture workforce is comprised of undocumented persons. If you round them up and mass deport them all in a short amount of time you are going to devastate the food supply, food economy, and supply chain. Prices will almost assuredly go up as demand rises and shortages in food occur. Many crops won't be planted or harvested in the event they are planted and that scarcity will create inflation. 

[mtutiger]

Hell, I have people in my own life who believe, as a country, "we're full".... which, when you look at the demographic cliff we are sitting on (ie. boomers getting older/retiring/dying, being replaced by a smaller amount of people in productive positions), is just a bonkers take.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

6 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Hell, I have people in my own life who believe, as a country, "we're full".... which, when you look at the demographic cliff we are sitting on (ie. boomers getting older/retiring/dying, being replaced by a smaller amount of people in productive positions), is just a bonkers take.

We're always only full when its a mass of Irish or black/brown-skinned immigrants coming over. When the right types of people come over suddenly the country has room to take in the tired, the poor, the huddled masses, and others.

[RatkoVarda]

8 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/feeding-america-how-immigrants-sustain-uminoritess-agriculture#:~:text=born workers%2C foreign-born naturalized,three decades (Figure 1).&text=Source%3A Economic Research Service%2C Department of Agriculture.

40% of our farm and agriculture workforce is comprised of undocumented persons. If you round them up and mass deport them all in a short amount of time you are going to devastate the food supply, food economy, and supply chain. Prices will almost assuredly go up as demand rises and shortages in food occur. Many crops won't be planted or harvested in the event they are planted and that scarcity will create inflation. 

i don't think there is going to be a collision between America First wackos and businesses

no one really expects Trump to deliver on his promises to hurt people; the promise to hurt people will sustain most MAGAs

ICE will stage a couple of high profile raids, media will cover Trump's tough on immigration stand, they will get some "bad hombres", crack a few skulls, show some crying babies, and that will be it.

Businesses gets to keep their low wage workers, America Firsters get to see some immigrants degraded, Trump will claim he is protecting white women from the dark rapists, and the media will serve it up to the masses;

it will be a win/win/win/win

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

no one really expects Trump to deliver on his promises to hurt people; the promise to hurt people will sustain most MAGAs

Doesn't matter the issue, but picked this up from a number of people down the stretch... the idea that Trump wasn't going to do a lot of what he was actually campaigning to do. Regardless of the issue.

Took it mostly as a rationalization, but who knows... if he were smart, he wouldn't go full on maximalist on things like immigration or abortion, but I've seen this movie before.

Edited November 8, 2024 by mtutiger

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

https://x.com/ap/status/1854932316386144716?s=61&t=akgNyUltuSb7RN54lulxTw
 

BREAKING: The Justice Department has brought criminal charges in a thwarted Iranian plot to kill President-elect Donald Trump before this week's presidential election.

Notice how it was unsealed AFTER the election. More election tampering. SS Jersey would have given them a ride to the rally if he would have heard this.

Edited November 8, 2024 by Tigeraholic1

[pfife]

SMH

[1776]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Notice how it was unsealed AFTER the election.

Yeah, that kind of jumps out at you doesn’t it. 

[ben9753]

You people are so aggrieved.

[pfife]

Super Compelling evidence

FYI everything that happens now happens after the election