2024 Presidential Election thread

[mtutiger]

30 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

More thoughts and prayers needed.  

I mean, I'm trying not to be mean about it, but by any objective measure, both attempts got a ton of attention. The pages in this thread dedicated to both stand as evidence as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just surprised that, even in victory, the whining crying and grievance never ends.

[mtutiger]

https://x.com/LisaDNews/status/1855010313495564397

The AP really blew it here... If there are 110k ballots left in PA, the Senate race shouldn't have been called.

Edited Friday at 10:47 PM by mtutiger

[1776]

42 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

If the Confederate Nation would have kept the war in the south they may have prolonged the war. However I think the aggressiveness of Sherman and to a certain extant Grant finally turned the tide with the battles in the Southern States as opposed to mamsy pamsey General McClellan 

Grant suspending the prisoner exchanges was a big hit for the south. Outmanned as the south was to begin with, this was a big blow.

[1776]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

as for what a coup is...an extra-constitutional attempt to change the government.  The US Civil War was an attempt by the rebels to change the government of the people living in the rebel states.

Each state that joined the CSA held a secession convention to allow the state’s political bodies to vote to either stay or leave. Only two states were unanimous in their votes to leave the union. The first was South Carolina on December 20, 1860. The last state to leave the union was North Carolina and it was by unanimous vote on May 20, 1861.
North Carolina’s entry into the war is an interesting piece of history. SC and VA were already committed to the CSA. Geographically this made things uncomfortable as you can guess for N.C. However, NC was committed to staying in the union until Lincoln demanded 75,000 troops from the southern states to be a part of putting down “the southern insurrection.” Our governor, John Willis Ellis called for the convention and the rest is history.
  

[1776]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

It wasn't per se.  I think Oblong AND CMRIVdogs will have a better feel on this but the big mistake the Confederacy which cost them the war made was when they were trying to push into Maryland and Pennsylvania that they issued orders to seize freedmen as war booty and they were trying to knock out the North by taking Washington.  This led to the Gettysburg campaign which stopped Lee cold.

One of Lee’s motives for going into Maryland was that Maryland wasn’t overly hostile to the south’s position. Lincoln had several of the states political officials jailed for criticizing Lincoln’s orders to invade the south.  Lee entered Maryland for a couple of reasons, one being to recruit sympathizers to fight for the south’s cause. Again, the south was outmanned and under equipped from the outset. Lots of stories surrounding this particular battle that make for interesting reading. Circumstances led to The Battle of Sharpsburg on September 17, 1862, to this day the bloodiest one day battle on US ground. It’s also referred to as The Battle of Antietam, named for a creek that ran through the battleground. 
 

[romad1]

Just now, 1776 said:

One of Lee’s motives for going into Maryland was that Maryland wasn’t overly hostile to the south’s position. Lincoln had several of the states political officials jailed for criticizing Lincoln’s orders to invade the south.  Lee entered Maryland for a couple of reasons, one being to recruit sympathizers to fight for the south’s cause. Again, the south was outmanned and under equipped from the outset. Lots of stories surrounding this particular battle that make for interesting reading. Circumstances led to The Battle of Sharpsburg on September 17, 1862, to this day the bloodiest one day battle on US ground. It’s also referred to as The Battle of Antietam, named for a creek that ran through the battleground. 
 

Been there.  Not far from Harper’s Ferry.  I plan to rewatch “The Good Lord Bird” soon to remind me of happier times.  

[1776]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Do you know anything about the political aims of the CSA? Was it ever their intent to march on Washington, overthrow the US government, install their own there, and claim the remainder of the country as a confederacy? Not that they could ever have done so since they were outgunned by a factor of multiples, but was that ever a stated goal anywhere in their papers?

The answer is, no. I have read extensively on this war and unless there is something outside of my readings or otherwise, I never have seen anything that suggests the south had designs on expanding their boundaries. There was no plan to conquer states in the Union, at the outset. In defense of the southern states the armies did enter Union states. Jefferson Davis made a plea for peace with Lincoln prior to physical hostilities, likely not long after resigning the U.S. Senate. 
If someone knows of something I am interesting in hearing it. 

Edited Saturday at 12:21 AM by 1776

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The answer is, no. I have read extensively on this war and unless there is something outside of my readings or otherwise, I never have seen anything that suggests the south had designs on expanding their boundaries. There was no plan to conquer states in the Union, at the outset. In defense of the southern states the armies did enter Union states. Jefferson Davis made a plea for peace with Lincoln prior to physical hostilities, likely not long after resigning the U.S. Senate. 
If someone knows of something I am interesting in hearing it. 

Was listening to a podcast about Jefferson Davis being the better military strategist than Lincoln not long ago.  Fat lot of good it did him.

[oblong]

The civil war is a huge blind spot for me in my history. I know very little about it beyond the bullet points. 

[CMRivdogs]

50 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Been there.  Not far from Harper’s Ferry.  I plan to rewatch “The Good Lord Bird” soon to remind me of happier times.  

I've been reading a bit of McBrides stuff lately. (Saw him at the Library of Congress book fair). I may have to check this out. 

(I wonder if the Library of Congress will make the new administration's cuts)

Fun fact, when Bush Jr was sworn in Barbara Bush asked David Rubinstein if the Library of Congress had a book fair. His reply, there will be one next year. He's been the major sponsor ever since. It would be a shame to see it and the Institute of Museums and Library Services end up on Musk's chopping board.

[CMRivdogs]

4 minutes ago, oblong said:

The civil war is a huge blind spot for me in my history. I know very little about it beyond the bullet points. 

I'm pretty much the same. The Virginia Social Studies book in the fourth and seventh grades were not very helpful. My wife's history major was during that period. Most of what I know is by osmosis

[Tigeraholic1]

Chad Hershey, Washington’s FEMA supervisor, told The Daily Wire that the agency is looking into the situation.

“We are aware of it and we are taking proper action in this situation currently,” Hershey said. 

After publication of this story, a FEMA spokesperson told The Daily Wire it was “deeply disturbed” and “horrified” by the employee’s actions, and that it has “taken extreme actions to correct this situation.”

 

 

 

[Edman85]

I'm going after some antivaxxers on the book of faces tonight... Here's some capsules if you want to copy and paste (well, except some of the ones I refer to my age).

 

To the people touting RFK's "making America Healthy," this will be the first of 14 comments over the next few days detailing diseases that vaccines prevent, not including the one many of you likely deny existed that shut the world down a few years ago. First up, his Hepatitis B, a very deadly disease for children, acquired from mothers at child birth. Only 5% of infants or 30% of children who acquire it survive, and several others have lifelong liver damage. Vaccines largely wiped it out in developed countries, and any attempt to "make America healthy again" by removing vaccines threatens to bring Hep B back into our lives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_B

I'm too old to have been inoculated against this one. Rotavirus is transferred, basically when infants eat poop. It basically causes severe diarrhea for children, and has been estimated to have killed about 150,000 children as of five years ago. The vaccine was introduced about 15 years ago. In turn, hospitalizations and deaths from this virus have been significantly reduced in that time. Not nearly as severe as others, but this is another win for the jabs. What's interesting looking up all these diseases is the work done by the CDC et. al. to discover them and sequence them. Will that continue after those agencies are slashed and dashed in an attempt to make America "healthy" again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotavirus#

Diphtheria is one I'm glad my parents were smart enough to vaccinate me from. It's a bacteria that causes some severe build-up in your throat. Kills about 5-10% of children who get it, but it's a good thing there's a 100 year-old vaccine to keep them from getting and spreading it! Cases have dropped significantly over the years thanks to that. And adults, get your TDaP booster to keep up immunity against this bugger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria

Ever get lockjaw? If not, it's probably because your parents got you vaccinated against Tetanus before people like RFK started brainwashing people not to do it. It must be nice to not have to live in fear of any rusty nail thinking it will cause your face to spasm and lock your jaw up. 7% chance it kills you. Let's Make America Healthy again and bring Tetanus back! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus

Pertussis is on the comeback thanks to the efforts of RFK. Better known as whooping cough, this one is a very contagious doozy that takes over your body, killing roughly 20% of adults who catch it. Don't forget your TDaP booster to protect yourself against this and the previous two. It may be wise to get them now before RFK makes America Healthy Again and takes these off the market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough

Haemophilus Influenzae, maybe on your vaccine record as Bacillus influenzae causes pneumonia, meningitis, and blood infections in children. Severe causes cause retardation or deafness. The 1990 vaccine reduced cases in a big way. If you can hear RFK's raspy voice lying about vaccines, it's probably because your parents got you this jab and protected you against this disease that can end your ability to hear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophilus_influenzae

 

More to come...

[Edman85]

Daily Wire and Clay Travis. Get me something credible, and I agree that would be horrible if true.

[pfife]

Lol clay travis

[pfife]

33 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

More to come...

please and also thanks

[romad1]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm pretty much the same. The Virginia Social Studies book in the fourth and seventh grades were not very helpful. My wife's history major was during that period. Most of what I know is by osmosis

 

2 hours ago, oblong said:

The civil war is a huge blind spot for me in my history. I know very little about it beyond the bullet points. 

I know the campaigns fairly well.  Gettysburg is one of my favorite places in the World because its one of the definitive places where Democracy stood at a precipice.   You could make a quick list:

• Gettysburg
• Dunkirk
• Midway

Places where the entire Western and now global idea of Democracy stood at the brink and forces who were entirely on their back foot made a decisive stand in two cases and survived by the skin of their teeth in the other.  

[pfife]

Pretty telling that clay travis posted that *48 hours after* the election

[romad1]

So, I'm thinking that's it for X/Twitter for me.  I used to prolifically post from there but, its too stinky with Elon's thanos ambitions.   I'll try Threads out. 

[pfife]

41 minutes ago, romad1 said:

So, I'm thinking that's it for X/Twitter for me.  I used to prolifically post from there but, its too stinky with Elon's thanos ambitions.   I'll try Threads out. 

I like Bluesky and have found a decent number of folks i followed on twitter.   Its been good enough to keep me off twitter a good number of months now.   Good luck, i struggled with several twitter replacements 

ETA I would say it's not really great for sports but is getting better but its pretty good for politicks.   

LOLGOP is here to help:

https://go.bsky.app/9EF74eY

https://go.bsky.app/pYigac

Edited Saturday at 04:31 AM by pfife

[mtutiger]

The California races mentioned (Whitesides, Min, Tran) are all breaking in the correct direction and with relatively favorable partisan breakdowns for remaining ballots... Engel and Peltola are a little shakier.

My guess is either 220-215 or 221-214 for Rs, a 1-2 seat gain for Ds over the last Congress. But a lot more to count

Edited Saturday at 04:37 AM by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

So, I'm thinking that's it for X/Twitter for me.  I used to prolifically post from there but, its too stinky with Elon's thanos ambitions.   I'll try Threads out. 

I need to start looking that direction as well... 

[Edman85]

8 hours ago, romad1 said:

So, I'm thinking that's it for X/Twitter for me.  I used to prolifically post from there but, its too stinky with Elon's thanos ambitions.   I'll try Threads out. 

I have too many niche things on Twitter that I'm going to keep it around for. Threads is too much like the "for you" tab on Twitter for my taste. I would prefer Bluesky if it was more than just left leaning baseball people over there.

[Tigeraholic1]

Is CNN RW media now? Where can we get the truth you guys want to hear? 

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/08/politics/fema-employee-trump-florida-hurricane

[pfife]

Already posted where CNN says CNN pooped the bed.  Sorry you missed it.

I will continue to decline that poop sammich, ymmv

Edited Saturday at 12:54 PM by pfife