2024 Presidential Election thread

[Sports_Freak]

56 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Out of reactions, so: 😆

TBH, I didn't notice, either. But I do remember when California needed help and Trump asked if they voted for him. And then some stupid remarks about raking the forest, like they do in Norway or someplace. Just more of his genius babbling 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

That was a nice little joke which actually dovetails into a serious point.

In my view, strictly speaking, I don't regard him as my president. He's the political president of the country I live in. I don't believe there is any expectation of allegiance or obligation I have to the man himself. (Or do you believe there is? That's a different discussion.)

Now, maybe he's your president because you like him, claim him, have allegiance to him, and maybe even feel obligated to carry out whatever demands of his you hear in your head. 😉 And that's fine, you're free to claim him as your president in that case. But I don't think just because I live here, I have to express allegiance to him, carry out obligations on his personal behalf, or claim him as my president, any more than you have to claim Joe Biden as your president. You have the freedom not to, a freedom I sincerely hope we don't lose.

These may all be distinctions without a difference to you, but they aren't to me.

I agree. When people say things like “your president” they may subtly be inferring an allegiance or servitude. I hear it from people who served in the military, which as active duty he is their commander in chief.  But that absolutely does not transfer to civilian life. They are public servants elected by us.  We do not have to respect them. And despite that famous scene in The West Wing where he confronted the Dr Laura type character, we don’t have to stand when they enter a room.  

[mtutiger]

23 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I'm just surprised that, even in victory, the whining crying and grievance never ends.

Two pages on, this observation holds up well

[mtutiger]

4 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

If anything, FEMA, and disaster workers in general, have gotten way less credit than they deserve in recent months. 

Probably worth noting one of the few regions to shift left in the Presidential election this cycle was... Western North Carolina

[chasfh]

23 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I mean, I'm trying not to be mean about it, but by any objective measure, both attempts got a ton of attention. The pages in this thread dedicated to both stand as evidence as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just surprised that, even in victory, the whining crying and grievance never ends.

So this is very timely because we had a minor outburst in our family over this. My brother hosts TG and sent a group text asking who's coming, and specifically asked our sister "C", since she lives in another state far away.

I saw her response, which thankfully no one replied to, and I thought three things: (1) I'm sad she's not showing up because she couldn't make it last year, either; (2) I had no idea the worm was so deep in her brain; and (3) even in total victory, red hats still whine and complain about how no one respects them.

It's a little ironic because half the people who show up almost certainly voted Trump, including the host, but we've had a standing detente for the last eight years that we simply don't discuss politics anymore.

 

[mtutiger]

lol

Edited Saturday at 10:42 PM by mtutiger

[Edman85]

This felt good.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

Amazing 

 

[chasfh]

Trump ran up a f***ton of deficits so that post is full of ****.

[1776]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Trump ran up a f***ton of deficits so that post is full of ****.

As I pointed out here a while back, both parties have done their fair share to increase the national debt and neither seems at all concerned about the consequences. This is where every discussion about the deficit ends up-finger pointing and increased deficits. Neither party dared use the two words, ‘balanced budget,’ during the campaign. 
Yes, I am very concerned about Trump’s agenda, particularly regarding the growing deficit. 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, 1776 said:

As I pointed out here a while back, both parties have done their fair share to increase the national debt and neither seems at all concerned about the consequences. This is where every discussion about the deficit ends up-finger pointing and increased deficits. Neither party dared use the two words, ‘balanced budget,’ during the campaign. 
Yes, I am very concerned about Trump’s agenda, particularly regarding the growing deficit. 

You may be completely right about that, but that does not mitigate one bit the fact that the tweet by whoever Patrick Bet-David is proceeds from a premise that is completely full of ****.

[mtutiger]

It's again worth noting that Harris did upwards of 3.5% better in the battleground states than she did nationally.... which suggests that campaign financing / how they spent their money wasn't the issue here.

[mtutiger]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You may be completely right about that, but that does not mitigate one bit the fact that the tweet by whoever Patrick Bet-David is proceeds from a premise that is completely full of ****.

You'll be shocked to learn that he's a podcaster.... retweeting another podcaster.

[mtutiger]

https://x.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1855430284428161399

Pour one out for Kari Lake, folks...

[pfife]

Wait im supposed to want government to run like a startup?

That sounds terrible, the government isnt a business let alone a new one

[romad1]

4 minutes ago, pfife said:

Wait im supposed to want government to run like a startup?

That sounds terrible, the government isnt a business let alone a new one

Will Congress be running like a startup?  I'll hangup and listen. 

[1776]

26 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

https://x.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1855430284428161399

Pour one out for Kari Lake, folks...

In the past few days I’ve gotten three garbage texts soliciting for funds on her behalf. This is worth celebrating. She can’t be gone soon enough. 

[chasfh]

48 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

You'll be shocked to learn that he's a podcaster.... retweeting another podcaster.

Yea A’m shoked 

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Trump ran up a f***ton of deficits so that post is full of ****.

He proudly call himself the king of debt.  

[1776]

17 hours ago, oblong said:

I agree. When people say things like “your president” they may subtly be inferring an allegiance or servitude. I hear it from people who served in the military, which as active duty he is their commander in chief.  But that absolutely does not transfer to civilian life. They are public servants elected by us.  We do not have to respect them. And despite that famous scene in The West Wing where he confronted the Dr Laura type character, we don’t have to stand when they enter a room.  

No person ever demonstrated your point better than Monica Lewinsky. 

[chasfh]

14 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Will Congress be running like a startup?  I'll hangup and listen. 

Isn’t it already running like a startup? Spending billions and billions practically indiscriminately against far less in revenue? The only real difference is that instead of being propped up and funded by a few billionaire venture capitalists, they’re funded by all the rest of us, and the capitalists are along for the ride. In fact, the venture capitalists are actively skimming and pocketing the proceeds, aided by the company’s officers, and now that everyone can see tat the company is in danger of failing, they’re all circling it like vultures waiting for the right moment to go in and strip it for parts.

At least that appears to be the goal. You may see it differently. 

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

It's again worth noting that Harris did upwards of 3.5% better in the battleground states than she did nationally.... which suggests that campaign financing / how they spent their money wasn't the issue here.

It was the message and candidate, correct.

[Edman85]

Courting the disillusioned former GOP base probably didn't help with the working class, I'm guessing.

[Tigeraholic1]

https://newrepublic.com/post/188216/kamala-harris-campaign-billion-fundraising

Inside Harris’s crumbled campaign, some feel that they were misled about her chances, and led to believe it would be a margin-of-error race. In reality, Trump blew apart Harris’s play for the blue wall states and beat her by more than four million votes.

“People are depressed and frustrated about the overconfident leadership of the campaign,” one staffer told Axios.

One Biden staffer put it more simply: “How did you spend $1 billion and not win? What the ****?”
 

 

[romad1]

34 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Isn’t it already running like a startup? Spending billions and billions practically indiscriminately against far less in revenue? The only real difference is that instead of being propped up and funded by a few billionaire venture capitalists, they’re funded by all the rest of us, and the capitalists are along for the ride. In fact, the venture capitalists are actively skimming and pocketing the proceeds, aided by the company’s officers, and now that everyone can see tat the company is in danger of failing, they’re all circling it like vultures waiting for the right moment to go in and strip it for parts.

At least that appears to be the goal. You may see it differently. 

Yeah, that isn't how a startup operates.   A true startup, as in the bull**** that the CEO of a previous company i worked for claimed, was where all the employees put out maximum effort in exchange for the hope of a gigantic payoff in value. 

I don't see anyone in Congress doing that.  I DO see a lot of federal employees doing maximum effort in places where their very lives are at risk around the World but they do not anticipate a massive payout.  That's why Trump called them suckers and losers.   That's why he hated his generals for coming up in a merit-based system that wasn't rewarding them for being born to the right lucky parent.